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Bedroom Tax and kids living away??
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seven-day-weekend wrote: »Unless they can prove that their home is the child's main home, they will not escape the Benefit cut.
If they can afford to decorate I'm pretty sure they can afford the extra rent.
Definitely.
It wasn't clear whether the grandparents had shared care 4/3 nights or whether they were lying about this to save money.0 -
The whole mid rate care = disability thing is only when it suits the government, I'm certainly never treated as severely disabled by my local council despite being on middle care, high mobility. The biggest barrier I face to accessing housing and disability services is the full time job I hold down, almost all services I am told I could access happen between 9 and 5 Monday to Friday despite the implementation of ESA and the implication that disabled people can be workers too.
Councils do take DLA into account but they then do their own assessment and today unless you have critical needs most councils wont offer any help, it used to be that many helped with substancial needs but its changed over the past couple of years due to cut.0 -
mysterywoman10 wrote: »The quote of significant disabiity is in the DWP's own figures in their impact statement the link was put up on one thread a while back.
But most of us interested in disability rights issues had already read it anyway.
Whilst I do not know the exact breakdown of the figures for them to do the calculations it must be related to their own figures for DLA claimants I would have thought?
I think your reference to adapted properties shows your somewhat insular view of those affected, I understand it can be very easy to become like this when one suffers from a severe disabilty. Many people I know have very severely affected disabled children or adults who have high care needs but are fully able bodied. It isn't just people in wheelchairs that need a high degree of care.
It can actually be more demanding than someone who is in a wheelchair when they are mobile. So they don't necessarily need adaptations.
I read your link and its rubbish because its based on the DDA, is their a believeable one?
People with adapted housing cant just up and move, people who dont need adapted housing can move and if they want a bigger house thay should do what people told house buyers to do earlier in this thread, they can move to a cheaper area where the LHA will pay for a bigger house or pay the rest of the rent themselves from the very generous benefits given to kids on high rate care (the DLA is doubled by the tax credits increase)
Before you say that the benfits arent generous many families with kids on high rate care play holy hell when the kids reach adulthood because they discover that they get much less in benefits for them and there are no extras once they become adults, no free Ipads from the family fund etc.0 -
Definitely.
It wasn't clear whether the grandparents had shared care 4/3 nights or whether they were lying about this to save money.
Lying ?!!!
Or perhaps they just thought they were using the room for their grandchild and wouldn't have to pay it?
No doubt the powers that be will tell them they do have to.The most wasted day is one in which we have not laughed.0 -
I read your link and its rubbish because its based on the DDA, is their a believeable one?
People with adapted housing cant just up and move, people who dont need adapted housing can move and if they want a bigger house thay should do what people told house buyers to do earlier in this thread, they can move to a cheaper area where the LHA will pay for a bigger house or pay the rest of the rent themselves from the very generous benefits given to kids on high rate care (the DLA is doubled by the tax credits increase)
Before you say that the benfits arent generous many families with kids on high rate care play holy hell when the kids reach adulthood because they discover that they get much less in benefits for them and there are no extras once they become adults, no free Ipads from the family fund etc.
You are seriously hillarious if it were not so sad. I'm not going to take the bait people can draw their own conclusions.
If you read further into the report I think if my memory serves me right point 44 it says "significant". One figure was based on DDA.
You are talking absolute rubbish about getting less money when they get to adulthood they are assessed in their own right for benefits. The kind of people I am talking about would not be able to use an iPad never have and never will.
Such ignorance towards others with disabilities is truely astounding.The most wasted day is one in which we have not laughed.0 -
mysterywoman10 wrote: »Lying ?!!!
Or perhaps they just thought they were using the room for their grandchild and wouldn't have to pay it?
No doubt the powers that be will tell them they do have to.
It was posted in the original question that they were doing it to avoid paying extra rent:
'i know somebody who has decorated their "Spare room" as a nursery for the grand child as the grand child will be staying with them for 4 days of the week and the other 3 days with the other grand parents
Can they do this?? Basically they are doing this so they don,t get "HIT".'
Looks pretty much like lying to me.(AKA HRH_MUngo)
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Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology: Terry Eagleton0 -
mysterywoman10 wrote: »Lying ?!!!
Or perhaps they just thought they were using the room for their grandchild and wouldn't have to pay it?
No doubt the powers that be will tell them they do have to.
If the child is spending 7 nights a week spread between 2 sets of grandparents then the one where they spend 4 nights will be its actual home and the room will genuinely be occupied. From the question, it sounded as if the poster didn't believe that this was the case and that the grandparents (possibly both sets) were lying about this to avoid the extra expense.
How did you read the post?0 -
mysterywoman10 wrote: »You are seriously hillarious if it were not so sad. I'm not going to take the bait people can draw their own conclusions.
If you read further into the report I think if my memory serves me right point 44 it says "significant". One figure was based on DDA.
You are talking absolute rubbish about getting less money when they get to adulthood they are assessed in their own right for benefits. The kind of people I am talking about would not be able to use an iPad never have and never will.
Such ignorance towards others with disabilities is truely astounding.
People have come to their own conclusion about that link, it dosnt hold water. Significant is objective and not a fact, DLA/AA numbers are facts.
Many parents come here when their kids reach adulthood and they cant believe how much they lose when their disabled kids become adults because they lose the enhansed tax credits, it even makes local papers!
Thery still get DLA at the same amount in many cases and they can claim ESA but the amounts are less than their parents recieved before they left fulltime education.
They dont have to have a Ipad, they can have holidays or white goods etc. anything they can justify but this stops as soon as they grow up.
People who are losing arguments start to call names, I dont need to lower myself to your level to get my point across.0 -
mysterywoman10 wrote: »You are seriously hillarious if it were not so sad. I'm not going to take the bait people can draw their own conclusions.
If you read further into the report I think if my memory serves me right point 44 it says "significant". One figure was based on DDA.
You are talking absolute rubbish about getting less money when they get to adulthood they are assessed in their own right for benefits. The kind of people I am talking about would not be able to use an iPad never have and never will.
Such ignorance towards others with disabilities is truely astounding.
The actual point (which I quoted earlier) is "that leads to significant difficulty with one or more areas" and you're rephrasing this (incorrectly) as "significant disability".
Regarding funding for disabled children, you're new here but there are many posts from parents of children who leave home to live independently who see their household income plummet when the disability funding leaves with the child, showing how much they've come to rely on this to supplemet general household expenditure.0 -
The whole mid rate care = disability thing is only when it suits the government, I'm certainly never treated as severely disabled by my local council despite being on middle care, high mobility. The biggest barrier I face to accessing housing and disability services is the full time job I hold down, almost all services I am told I could access happen between 9 and 5 Monday to Friday despite the implementation of ESA and the implication that disabled people can be workers too.
won't they offer you direct payments?
then you can accrss the help you need, when you need it0
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