Why Is There Not Much Help For Binge Eating Disorder (and if there is, where is it?)

oopsadaisydoddle

sophlowe45 wrote: »

What i have tried to do is replace sugar with xylitol. I started off using a little but now i use a lot of xylitol as i have gone from one cup of tea a day to numerous cups of tea a day. I don't know how much difference this makes but i only use St. Dalfour jam.

I have tried replacing foods from reading your posts Fire Fox and making lots of notes, i only have organic rolled jumbo oats, organic rye bread, lots of tins of different beans, oatcakes, ryvita, rice cakes, tinned sardines, full fat organic milk, organic eggs, peanut butter etc. (organic eggs i can really taste the difference).

I still binge eat, i can think about Coca Cola for a whole day until I can't take it anymore and go off to buy it, same with crisps, chocolates and chips, i can spend the whole day thinking about eating them, during conversations i have with people, i am thinking i really want chips and coke!! I find it too hard to resist. I don't keep any junk food at home as i would eat or drink it immediately (this includes orange juice i drink the entire carton). I only have it when its been hours or even more than 24 hours and I still desperately want that item of junk. I will eat even when i feel i cannot eat anymore, my stomach has bloated so much and it really hurts, i will carry on eating.

I am also not liking the taste of ricecakes, oatcakes, i can't stand the tinned sardines or even tinned tuna.

I also really wish there was binge eating rehab we could check into, have controlled meals and not have the option of eating or drinking anything else, while also learning how to cook and prepare for life after rehab.

Thanks for starting this thread oopsadaisydoddle.

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I am the same - the thought of crisps/chocolate/whatever drives me to distraction some days and i have to go get it.

Other days it takes me 'by surprise' so to speak. I can come home from being at work and then end up gorging on whatever I can find. Usually high sugar/carb as has been pointed out. Maybe I don't have a 'food' addiction, maybe it's a sugar addiction, maybe it's nothing and I'm just imagining it?!

@mazza111 - sorry i missed you earlier. Thanks for your tips. In answer to your question, I often feel physically full (in fact uncomfortably so). Can't remember the last time I felt emotionally full.

oopsadaisydoddle

I've often read that artificial sweeteners encourage cravings for sugar more.

I understand that Xylitol is natural but would it have the same effect as sweeteners in that respect?

I'm going to look into that and maybe use it in my cereal bars.

When you say good fats, do you mean like olive oil and the omega 3 oils found in fish?

And what is 'pure protein'? Do you mean like lean meat, fish?

Sorry for all the q's!

I love beans and pulses and even put them in my homemade soup but they make me rather 'noisy' and stinky so I try not to have too many!

mazza111

To me, you sound very much like my sister. I'm borderline. I can have binges, but I can control mine to an extent, I'm still overweight, so not controlling them that much. My sister seems to have no control whatsoever when she's on one. That's why she started freezing the yoghurts. Started buying those instant porridge things with honey I think... One of the sweet ones anyhoo (yuck!!I'm a typical jock who has salt in porridge :rotfl:). But these are helping her to deal with the sweet cravings. She's not 100% there yet, and does have a lot of slip ups but these small things have been helping her.

If you put down a multipack of walkers cheese n onion crisps she'd have them away in about 10 mins. Then feel bad for the rest of the week.

I have found a new love for porridge. Trying to eat a bowl every morning and it stops me binge eating through the morning. I try not to eat after my evening meal, but if I feel really hungry I try to eat a bowl of porridge, it's very filling and you don't want anything else

oopsadaisydoddle

mazza111 wrote: »

To me, you sound very much like my sister. I'm borderline. I can have binges, but I can control mine to an extent, I'm still overweight, so not controlling them that much. My sister seems to have no control whatsoever when she's on one. That's why she started freezing the yoghurts. Started buying those instant porridge things with honey I think... One of the sweet ones anyhoo (yuck!!I'm a typical jock who has salt in porridge :rotfl:). But these are helping her to deal with the sweet cravings. She's not 100% there yet, and does have a lot of slip ups but these small things have been helping her.

If you put down a multipack of walkers cheese n onion crisps she'd have them away in about 10 mins. Then feel bad for the rest of the week.

I have found a new love for porridge. Trying to eat a bowl every morning and it stops me binge eating through the morning. I try not to eat after my evening meal, but if I feel really hungry I try to eat a bowl of porridge, it's very filling and you don't want anything else

I've always thought I disliked porridge but I think I might try it because I've heard that it's good for steady energy. DH Grandma used to always say that porridge wasn'n porridge without salt!!

I've often in the past done the same with crisps or whatever has been there. I've munched my way through (multi) packets and then have 'had' to finish them so I could hide the evidence.

Meant to say, my lack of self esteem isn't helped by my big angry lumpy hormonal acne and the fact that I regularly have to 'shave'! Well epilate actually and although my excess hair isn't bad in comparison to some people I've seen, it is bad enough to make me worry a lot of the time.

nettttie

oopsa - I can so relate to lots of this and have looked into some of the suggestions so thanks for your thread. At some times of the month I'll read everything and exercise and PMA then a manic episode kicks in and its as if my brain literally "doesn't care" and wont even have me tell it what to do!!
Binge eat, drink too much, spend money I don't have, bulaemia kicks in, I've been worse recently but started nearly 30 years ago.

I try to exercise, when I buy treats I divide them in 2 and tell the kids to take them to their room - they are very restrained but are teens now, I quite frequently take a month off drink, now I'm not drinking in the house for Lent.
I have other addictions in my addictive nature. I've had meds off gp but don't like them as I miss my highs.
Food wise now I buy Exante diet (lost 3 stone/3 months with cambridge diet) I take 2 food replacements a day and a small meal. the food replacements are healthy and high protein to help me not to gorge; I know it's not a healthy approach etc etc but it's all I can do. I can put 10 lb on in a week, and lose it in 2, starve and binge. I've kept the 3 stone off give or take 5 lb.

Defo go with the high protein/low carb diet I find it works well. Get rid of treats. I'm thinking of making my own soups but adding whey protein - you can google this info.

I just accept this is part of my make-up, sincerely hope you can move on.

dktreesea

oopsadaisydoddle wrote: »

I also phoned my private health cover provider and they won't deal with it unless I get a pyschiatric referral - which my doc wouldn't give because it doesn't feel it is appropriate.

Perhaps you ought to consider changing your doctor. Or at least making a formal complaint to the BMA.

In my experience doctors are either proper doctors, who refer their patients if they need help regardless of the cost (to the NHS) or act as gatekeepers for specialist services they should be referring you to but don't because they get a kick out of the money they are saving the NHS by not giving you access to the services they need.

One of the reasons GPs are so cr*p in Britain compared to the rest of the western world is partly because they are protected, as in we can't choose the GP we go to, even if they are across the other side of the city, but also because we aren't prepared to complain long and loudly when they dole out the crap treatment you are getting. Did I say "treatment"? No, he hasn't even done that, just collected his fat salary from the NHS and done nothing at all for you.

Why hasn't he referred you, for instance, to your local council's Exercise on Referral scheme?

Just in case people don't know about this, and would like some information on it, in:
-Wales, contact the National Exercise Referral scheme http://www.wlga.gov.uk/ners
- England and Northern Ireland, contact your local council for details of Exercise referral schemes in your area
- Scotland, contact your local council.

The various councils seem to have different names for this. There doesn't seem to be a coordinating body as there is in Wales. In Glasgow the scheme is called the Live Active Exercise Referral Scheme

Fire_Fox

oopsadaisydoddle wrote: »

I've often read that artificial sweeteners encourage cravings for sugar more.

I understand that Xylitol is natural but would it have the same effect as sweeteners in that respect?

I'm going to look into that and maybe use it in my cereal bars.

When you say good fats, do you mean like olive oil and the omega 3 oils found in fish?

And what is 'pure protein'? Do you mean like lean meat, fish?

Sorry for all the q's!

I love beans and pulses and even put them in my homemade soup but they make me rather 'noisy' and stinky so I try not to have too many!

Xylitol is a funny one, you might have to try to see. Unlike the artificial sweeteners it does have calories (third less than sugar) so it is not totally fooling the body into thinking it's getting a calorific snack. It is super gentle on the blood sugar and insulin levels which is great news for diabetes and insulin resistance. But if you have an addiction will you continue to be triggered by the associations or memories between taste and boosted mood, in a similar way to some ex smokers and the smell of cigarette smoke? Perhaps.

At the end of the day it's an extract not a nutritious wholefood so you probably don't want to overdo it. It's good for when you really need a little to take the edge of something sour or bitter (say rhubarb or cocoa) not as an excuse to eat sweet stuff regularly IMO. It also can be laxative or cause gas in higher amounts, but a fraction of the sugar-alcohol sweeteners. On the flip side it may have dental health benefits and feed the beneficial bacteria in your gut, like I say it's a funny one!

Sources of protein include meat, fish, eggs, dairy, nuts and seeds but they all contain different percentages. So when I was saying eat 20g to 30g of pure protein I mean roughly 100g to 125g meat or three eggs plus some soft cheese, not 20g or 30g meat or eggs IYSWIM. Sorry that was so unclear.

Healthy fats: oily fish, nuts, seeds, avocado, olives, block creamed or unsweetened dessicated coconut, cocoa powder, omega enriched eggs. IMO it's best if most of your healthy fats are in their whole forms so you get all the minerals, vitamins, antioxidants and fibre too.

Extracted/ refined oils and fats for essential cooking only, personally I include butter and dripping in that they are not wholefoods. Limit the nuts, seeds and oils that are richest in omega-6, most are pro-inflammatory and they mess with your omega-3 ratio. Olive oil is monounsaturates so good for cooking, as is coconut oil.

You could work on improving the balance of your gut flora generally with a freeze dried probiotic supplement (eg. acidophilus blend). If you eat rubbish that feeds the bad guys and some of those are major gas formers. If you still struggle try increasing the amount of high fibre foods you eat slowly to let your body get acclimatised and chew your food really thoroughly.

Can't guarantee the above will work for beans and lentils gas specifically, but it can help with digestive health and reducing gas generally, plus gut bacteria help absorb and manufacture nutrients, are part of the immune system. Unfavourable balances *may* be implicated in obesity but research is still the early stages on that one, and some claim acidophilus reduces sugar cravings but I suspect that is part of the candida theory not researched fact.

You may notice the effects of pulses in soup more if you are combining with other gas formers like cabbage in the recipe. You could of course try Beano, that is definitely effective. However it's worth checking with your doctor (I know ...) or a pharmacist if they recommend that with PCOS.

naturalskincare

• Eats an unusually large amount of food at one time, far more than an average person would eat.
• Eats much more quickly during binge episodes than during normal eating episodes.
• Eats when depressed or bored.
• Eats large amounts of food even when not really hungry.
• Often eats alone during periods of normal eating, owing to feelings of embarrassment about food.
• Feels disgusted, depressed, or guilty after binge eating.
• The binge eating occurs, on average, at least twice a week for 6 months.
• The binge eating is not associated with the recurrent use of inappropriate compensatory behavior and does not occur exclusively during the course Bulimia Nervosa or Anorexia Nervosa.
  

Jox

Lots of us with sweet tooth!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279029/Edinburgh-traffic-chaos-Krispy-Kreme-doughnuts-opens-Hermiston-Gait.html

Jox

I've been investigating a low sugar diet and will attempt the following from tomorrow. Might be easier for me to start at the weekend and get myself organised. I will also not drink tea/coffee with sugar/honey and will drink more water.

Breakfasts (choose 1)
• Porridge made from 4tbsp porridge oats and 135ml each of skimmed or soya milk and water
• 1 slice wholegrain toast with 2 poached eggs and 1 grilled tomato
• 2 poached eggs with 2 grilled turkey rashers, 1 grilled tomato and grilled mushrooms
• 1 slice wholegrain toast topped with 1tbsp peanut butter and 1 sliced banana

Lunches (choose 1)
• 1 large grilled salmon fillet with mixed salad.
• Salad made from 4tbsp cooked couscous, 1 grilled skinless chicken breast, cherry tomatoes, 1tbsp raisins, 1tsp olive oil, lemon juice and black pepper.
• 600ml carton fresh vegetable soup and 1 banana.
• 1 medium-sized baked sweet potato with 1 small can tuna in water and mixed salad. Plus 1 apple.
• Homemade guacamole made from 1 small avocado, 1 chopped tomato, garlic, lemon juice and Tabasco, with 1 wholemeal pitta and 1 carrot cut into sticks.
• 1 medium size pack of sushi (around 250 calories) and 1 banana.
• 1 wholemeal pitta filled with salad made from 1 small avocado, 1/2 red pepper, 1 small red onion and 1 tomato.
• Bean soup
• 600ml carton fresh butternut squash soup. Plus 1 apple and 1 orange.
• Salad made from baby spinach leaves, cherry tomatoes and cucumber topped with 1 small grilled salmon steak and 1 poached egg.

Dinners (choose 1)
• Stir fry made from 1tbsp sunflower oil, garlic, ginger, 1 small pack ready-prepared stir-fry veg, 1tbsp reduced-salt soy sauce and 2tbsp toasted unsalted cashew nuts. Plus 1 satsuma
• Cut 1 turkey steak into bite-sized pieces and thread onto three skewers with cherry tomatoes and 1 green pepper, cut intopieces. Brush with olive oil and squeeze over some lime juice. Grill until cooked through and serve with 6tbsp cooked couscous made with chicken stock. Plus 1 apple.
• 1 small (150g) grilled fillet steak with 1 medium-sized sweet potato, cut into wedges, brushed with olive oil and baked in the oven, with 1 grilled tomato, grilled mushrooms and a green salad. Plus a handful of grapes.
• Fry 1/2 chopped small red onion and 1 sliced red pepper in 2tsp sunflower oil for a few minutes. Add 3 sliced boiled new potatoes and cook for a few minutes. Add 3 beaten eggs and cook until almost set. Place under a hot grill to set the top and serve with salad. Plus a handful of blueberries.
• 1 grilled tuna steak served with 3 boiled new potatoes in their skins, steamed carrots, broccoli, green beans and baby sweetcorn. Plus 1 bowl fruit salad and 1 pot fat-free fruit or soya yogurt.
• Chop 1 red pepper, 1/2 aubergine, 1 courgette and 1 small red onion into bite-sized chunks and roast with a handful of cherry tomatoes, fresh rosemary sprigs and 1tbsp olive oil. Serve with 1 roasted skinless chicken breast. Plus 1 pear.
• 1 ready-prepared smoked mackerel fillet with salad.
• Fajitas made from 1tbsp sunflower oil, 1 red and green pepper, 1 small red onion, 1skinless chicken breast and fajita seasoning. Serve wrapped in large iceberg lettuce leaves, topped with 1/2 small diced avocado.

Snacks (choose 1)
• Avocado dip with celery sticks
• 1 small avocado mashed with garlic, lemon juice and Tabasco, served with celery sticks.
• 1 bowl of fruit salad with 1 pot low-fat natural Greek or soya yogurt and 2tsp chopped mixed nuts.
• 30g unsalted almonds
• 2tbsp unsalted pumpkin seeds.
• Large mixed salad topped with 4 slices smoked salmon. Plus 1 kiwi fruit.
• 3tbsp reduced-fat hummus with carrot sticks.

Hope this helps xx