HB reduction and MP

princessdon

Dunroamin wrote: »

Why the hell should parents who have to bring up their children in the private sector with high rents and little security have to do so because some greedy so and so who's had their turn of low rent and high security in the public sector isn't prepared to give someone else a chance?

attitude sums it up doesn't it? The I'm alright Jack but want MORE is out in force with this Tax.

Morlock

princessdon wrote: »

Those on benefits (subject to the Tax) are not tax payers.

That isn't entirely true is it? Because a person claims housing benefit and is subject to bedroom tax, does not mean that he/she does not work and is not a taxpayer. The bedroom tax applies equally to claimants whether working or not, if they claim housing benefit and have a 'spare' room, they will be liable.

Morlock

Confuseddot wrote: »

The same reason that the majority of social housing tenants don't move to a suitable size house there isn't many.

But one of the many pro-bedroom tax arguments is that to avoid bedroom tax, tenants can just move in to the private sector and claim LHA instead. If there are not enough available properties do do this, the argument is invalid.

Confuseddot

morlock wrote: »

that isn't entirely true is it? Because a person claims housing benefit and is subject to bedroom tax, does not mean that he/she does not work and is not a taxpayer. The bedroom tax applies equally to claimants whether working or not, if they claim housing benefit and have a 'spare' room, they will be liable.

its not a tax !

princessdon

Morlock wrote: »

That isn't entirely true is it? Because a person claims housing benefit and is subject to bedroom tax, does not mean that he/she does not work and is not a taxpayer. The bedroom tax applies equally to claimants whether working or not, if they claim housing benefit and have a 'spare' room, they will be liable.

They are not the ones complaining.

To give you an idea of the other side. My grandma has £1.68 pw over Pension Credit. She has to pay FULL rent and Council Tax AND care.

She is £670 pm WORSE off than those who didn't work and has an income of £46 pw to live off after care and rent, this includes her AA.

Her HA are proposing to charge people for "extra care scheme". This means anywhere between £7 and £43 per week she needs to pay, again those on benefits are excluded.

How can she pay that with £46 pw?

She already pays £112 per month in BEDROOM TAX. That is the difference between 1 and 2 bedroom in her complex.

Why should she pay with far less income than others, just because she has a private pension that she paid into, to be worse off.

princessdon

Morlock wrote: »

But one of the many pro-bedroom tax arguments is that to avoid bedroom tax, tenants can just move in to the private sector and claim LHA instead. If there are not enough available properties do do this, the argument is invalid.

They are there, just no one wants them!

Morlock

princessdon wrote: »

They are not the ones complaining.

How in the hell do you know that?!

p00hsticks

Dinney wrote: »

People had to brick up windows years ago or pay tax on them,we have all seen buildings with some of the windows bricked up,now I know why,so maybe owner occupies with spare rooms are next,it would not suprise me one bit if they checked the size of your house against the electoral register to see how many people live in each property

Good idea... they could rate each house according to how big it is, perhaps by putting them into different bands. Let's say we call them band A, band B etc. Then you could charge more tax the higher the band the house is in....

Perhaps you could give discounts to single people, or students....

You just need a snappy name for it - .... I know, how about 'council tax' ? ;-)

Morlock

princessdon wrote: »

They are there, just no one wants them!

Ah okay, so the majority of private tenants claiming LHA and having to top up rent, choose to live in a more expensive property and pay the excess rather than live in a cheaper property that doesn't attract a top-up. That is an interesting fact, and one I'll be sure to inform others of when it is suggested that most LHA claimants have to top-up their rent and have no choice.

Morlock

p00hsticks wrote: »

I know, how about 'council tax' ? ;-)

Except that council tax rewards under-occupation through a single person discount.