forced economy 7

HappyMJ

molefin wrote: »

Look, sarcasm is not what I have asked for.
Some of us cannot afford to "purchase your own property".
I thought this site was for advice for people having problems and things forced upon them..
They do not have a meter in my flat , my supplier is EON, they say they
intend to re-place my meter with one of their own and charge me for electricity, that is my question can they do it? can they become my supplier?.

Ok you want a simple answer...

Yes.

Richie-from-the-Boro

molefin wrote: »

Look, sarcasm is not what I have asked for.
Some of us cannot afford to "purchase your own property".
I thought this site was for advice for people having problems and things forced upon them..
They do not have a meter in my flat , my supplier is EON, they say they
intend to re-place my meter with one of their own and charge me for electricity, that is my question can they do it? can they become my supplier?.

- you have two choices, accept or give up the tenancy

molefin

I think people are not understanding what I mean.
I know how they work, the heating IS cheaper than what I have now but using electricity during the day is one third dearer than my present tariff.
I had to get the ombudsman to fight a case with my old supplier because they tried to charge me for economy 7 tariff (backdated) even though I did not have storage heaters, a long story to complicated to go into here, (the ombudsman decided in my favour).
The point is, I can say without a doubt economy 7 daytime tariff would add a third to my present weekly electric bill.
I'll re-phrase again.
If my landlord installed the dreaded storage heater, can he force my to buy my electric for him.
If I can keep my present supplier then I would NOT use economy 7, I would sort out my own heating.

HappyMJ

molefin wrote: »

I think people are not understanding what I mean.
I know how they work, the heating IS cheaper than what I have now but using electricity during the day is one third dearer than my present tariff.
I had to get the ombudsman to fight a case with my old supplier because they tried to charge me for economy 7 tariff (backdated) even though I did not have storage heaters, a long story to complicated to go into here, (the ombudsman decided in my favour).
The point is, I can say without a doubt economy 7 daytime tariff would add a third to my present weekly electric bill.
I'll re-phrase again.
If my landlord installed the dreaded storage heater, can he force my to buy my electric for him.
If I can keep my present supplier then I would NOT use economy 7, I would sort out my own heating.

Another simple answer.

Yes.

Longer answer is...why do you say him and he? You said your landlord was a social housing provider and not a person.

Day rate electric heating is much more expensive than Economy 7 heating...so I'm not sure why you would want to go down that route. Day rate heating is really only suitable for a little bit of spot heating rather than space heating.

DevCoder

Your landlord can install the storage heaters, its his/their property.
You would then be charged the E7 price from your supplier.
You can ask for that not to happen, but you cannot force it, if the landlord is insistent on storage heaters then you have no choice.

Cardew

molefin wrote: »

The point is, I can say without a doubt economy 7 daytime tariff would add a third to my present weekly electric bill.

Are you sure of your facts on 'a third more'? there is not normally that differential between daytime E7 rates and 'normal' tariff daytime rates.

Has your landlord given you the prices of the tariff?

I cannot see there being any regulation preventing the owner of the accomodation fitting the heating system he requires, although you would need to look at your Rental agreement/lease for confirmation.

As stated above, they cannot make a profit from the electricity they effectively are re-selling.

victor2

molefin wrote: »

Economy 7 is cheaper than oil heating, I agree BUT storage heating means I have to heat them during the night (when I do not want heating on), I then have to pay a third more for my day-time usage.
It may be good for those that live in a house where they can become nocturnal but as we live in a high rise building doing the washing at 2 a.m is out of the question.

That suggests you really don't understand how storage heaters work. They are more expensive than gas central heating, but often the next best thing when that is not available. So, your electricity bill will increase, but your oil heating bill will presumably vanish - quite possibly leaving you at a financial advantage.

molefin

HappyMJ wrote: »

Another simple answer.

Yes.

Longer answer is...why do you say him and he? You said your landlord was a social housing provider and not a person.

Day rate electric heating is much more expensive than Economy 7 heating...so I'm not sure why you would want to go down that route. Day rate heating is really only suitable for a little bit of spot heating rather than space heating.

My landlord is a social housing provider, they took over the housing stock from the local council, nothing sinister by saying he and him.
They have to by law bring all stock up to present standard, heating etc.
Now my point is. if my electric tariff is, say 10p kwh now, after changeover my night-time tariff would be, maybe, 8p kwh for 7 hours, day-time tariff 15p kwh for 17 hours. not exact figures of course.

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Hi,

Cardew wrote: »

Are you sure of your facts on 'a third more'? there is not normally that differential between daytime E7 rates and 'normal' tariff daytime rates.

well here's Scottish Power's prices, including vat, for Manweb area, so just over 2p a unit more for daily units on E7, hardly a third.

13 Manweb Domestic 'S'- 27.39p --13.790p
13 Manweb Economy 7 --27.39p --15.858p --6.959p

alanq

molefin wrote: »

The point is, I can say without a doubt economy 7 daytime tariff would add a third to my present weekly electric bill.

Only if you don't use the storage heaters and heat your flat on demand. Over 85% of my annual electricity usage is at the night rate. I have storage heaters and heat my hot water tank at night. I use my washing machine during the day.

What devices are you planning to use during the day that will form a significant part of your total usage? I suspect that the savings on the night tariff will more than outweigh the additional cost of the day tariff.