forced economy 7

Hominu

It still boils down to the same thing:

You can request your landlord not to install the heating and/or meter, but you can not force him. If you don't like it you need to find somewhere else to live. Simple as that.

molefin

victor2 wrote: »

That suggests you really don't understand how storage heaters work. They are more expensive than gas central heating, but often the next best thing when that is not available. So, your electricity bill will increase, but your oil heating bill will presumably vanish - quite possibly leaving you at a financial advantage.

I know exactly how they work.
Yes, my present heating bill will disappear but as I have said before, I have had first hand experience of economy 7 tariff, my old supplier tried to charge me for E7 after changing my meter, by compering my old tariff with the E7 tariff, the diff was £1800 for one year , I took it to the ombudsman, he said the charges were correct but the supplier had no right to charge me as I wasn't on E7.
In other words for that year I was not on E7 my total bill was, electric approx. £800, heating was £1010, total £1810.
If you take the £800 (normal bill) the £1800 (the bill they said for E7) total £2600, now if you put the £900 my landlord says it will cost for storage heaters per year total cost would be £3500.

HappyMJ

molefin wrote: »

My landlord is a social housing provider, they took over the housing stock from the local council, nothing sinister by saying he and him.
They have to by law bring all stock up to present standard, heating etc.
Now my point is. if my electric tariff is, say 10p kwh now, after changeover my night-time tariff would be, maybe, 8p kwh for 7 hours, day-time tariff 15p kwh for 17 hours. not exact figures of course.

Which region do you live in? No rate in my area is 8p/kWh for the night rate although it's close.

The best rate is my area is 4.463p/kWh and that's a standard non discounted tariff. The most expensive on a comparison website is 7.93p/kWh with Good Energy.

Maybe you need to get some exact figures.

alanq

Cardew wrote: »

Are you sure of your facts on 'a third more'? there is not normally that differential between daytime E7 rates and 'normal' tariff daytime rates.

If the social housing flats have low users who wish to avoid standing charges then they may be using Ebico.

For the South-East Ebico charges ex VAT per kWh 20.17p E7 day, 14.89p General tariffs . That's over 35% higher but that's because what would otherwise be standing charges are loaded on to the day rate.
https://www.ebico.org.uk/regional-variations

Other firms without standing charges charge a two-tier rate for general tariff and daytime E7, the daytime unit charge being higher for the first x units.

Cardew

alanq wrote: »

If the social housing flats have low users who wish to avoid standing charges then they may be using Ebico.

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Surely Nobody with all electricity, including heating and hot water, would be with Ebico as they couldn't be a low user.

Horseunderwater

E7 heating is not on at night if you do not want it to be. Storage heaters are just that storage bricks that charge up over night on a cheap rate, then if needed will heat your home during the day if you are present or not if you aren't. Your electric bill should not go up excessively and I have to ask what in hell were you doing using over £1800 worth of electric in a year? You can turn them down to min temp in all but one room if you are mainly in one room most of the day. When I had them they were very efficient and economical. The SL will put it in whether you like it or not. Breakdowns happen far less (power cuts fuses blowing?). Having a meter to record your actual usage total out of say the communal meter run by the SL means that you will only pay what you use surely?

Richie-from-the-Boro

molefin wrote: »

I think people are not understanding what I mean.
I know how they work, the heating IS cheaper than what I have now but using electricity during the day is one third dearer than my present tariff.
I had to get the ombudsman to fight a case with my old supplier because they tried to charge me for economy 7 tariff (backdated) even though I did not have storage heaters, a long story to complicated to go into here, (the ombudsman decided in my favour).
The point is, I can say without a doubt economy 7 daytime tariff would add a third to my present weekly electric bill.
I'll re-phrase again.
If my landlord installed the dreaded storage heater, can he force my to buy my electric for him.
If I can keep my present supplier then I would NOT use economy 7, I would sort out my own heating.

Why don't you ask you ask your question in the correct context, you might get better answers.

Is your social housing dwelling either Local Authority or Housing Association owned ?

What does your current tenancy agreement say about energy supplies ?

Have you been supplied with, or are about to be supplied with a new tenancy agreement that does include being 'tied by agreement' to the landlords chosen energy supplier ?

alanq

Cardew wrote: »

Surely Nobody with all electricity, including heating and hot water, would be with Ebico as they couldn't be a low user.

With "all electricity, including heating and hot water" I have just done price comparison for my usage and Ebico's cost for E7 electricity is no more than British Gas's Clear And Simple Tariff. Mine is a small 2-bedroom terraced house. I think that Ebico could in some cases be a cheaper choice for an electrically heated flat especially for someone who does not want to by tied into a fixed term online contract or doesn't want to pay by direct debit. It is also beneficial for anyone who is absent for long periods as there is no daily standing charge.

The only way to be sure of the best deal is to check the figures with various suppliers and tariffs for ones own situation. "Surely Nobody..." is just assumption.

Wywth

alanq wrote: »

With "all electricity, including heating and hot water" I have just done price comparison for my usage and Ebico's cost for E7 electricity is no more than British Gas's Clear And Simple And Expensive Tariff.

I've corrected your post for you

Why don't you compare it to the cheapest tariff for you???

Cardew

alanq wrote: »

The only way to be sure of the best deal is to check the figures with various suppliers and tariffs for ones own situation. "Surely Nobody..." is just assumption.

Of course it is an assumption, but probably with more chance of it being correct than your suggestion that an all electric property would select an Ebico tariff.

In any case you seem to have missed the fact that it is not an individual property that will be chosing a tariff, but a common supply to a block of flats and sub-metered to the OP's property.

The social landlord is also saying that they may intend to put a meter in my flat and charge me for the electricity, (in other words becoming my electric supplier).

I have just done some random checks on price differentials between the cheapest E7 tariffs and the cheapest 'normal' tariffs.

It is still possible to get E7 daytime electricity(Midlands) below 12p/kWh(including VAT and before discounts) and with the cheapest E7 tariff their daytime rate is less than 8% more expensive than their 24/7 rate; and a 10% to 15% differential is easily obtained.

Why would someone seek out an Ebico tariff with a 21% differential, or BG with a 30% differential?