Some pensioners will be affected by the 'bedroom tax'

princessdon

nannytone wrote: »

thinking about this a bit more ... it has the potential to cause chaos with social housing.

all the age restrictions etc.
mixed sex children being mandated to share until the older child is 8, and same sex sharing until 16 ...
people will be reluctant to move from the 2 bed properties and so there may well be an axces of 3 and 4 beds whilst the list continues to grow for 1 nad 2 bed properties.

yet still they continue to build the 'family sized' houses.


and at the other end, you have people with children leaving home, needing to downsize and downsize again.

it has the potential to ruin communities, with the social housing sector becoming as transient as the private sector

That's a local issue. Mine are building 1 and 2 beds.

Then there is the move from private rental where lower bedrooms are more common. Right move in my area shows more 1 or 2 beds than 3,4,5.

Viberduo

princessdon wrote: »

A garden needs maintains so bad for a family :rotfl:

You can't make it up on here. I know zero families who say no thanks it has a garden. They are a luxury people with families would pay for.

Not that its bad for a family just more the amount of houses I have seen with overgrown gardens is crazy and the amount of people who complain about the time taken.

This garden is all lumpy and muddy anyway lol

I wish I had a garden just saying if you had the stress of a large family you wouldnt want more stress of upkeep.

Is this just a thread to be negative of people who have a spare room?

It would be interesting to see the idea of moving my parents from rent under £60 a week for a small house in need of repair to a private rent of around double that, even a tiny box flat is about £95 a week in the area.

princessdon

Viberduo wrote: »

Not that its bad for a family just more the amount of houses I have seen with overgrown gardens is crazy and the amount of people who complain about the time taken.

This garden is all lumpy and muddy anyway lol

I wish I had a garden just saying if you had the stress of a large family you wouldnt want more stress of upkeep.

Is this just a thread to be negative of people who have a spare room?

It would be interesting to see the idea of moving my parents from rent under £60 a week for a small house in need of repair to a private rent of around double that, even a tiny box flat is about £95 a week in the area.

Overgrown gardens are often older residents outgrown families whose age and health makes it harder.

I have 4 children (on my own a lot) work full time and my garden in well kept (well in summer I'm no martyr). Gardens are a precious commodity for families. Few have that luxury, another reason to downsize if you can't maintain IMO. Seriously they are like hold dust

nannytone_2

there is a single 1 bed private let where i live.
there has to be an issue with it, because it is being re let on almost a monthly basis.
there has been a large scale building programme... but all 2 and 3 beds.
some are being handed to the housing associations and others are for sale.
may being bought by private landlords for let.
we have had a major influx of polish workers in the past 5 years ( its not an immigration issue .... everyone gets along really well) but the landlords have seen the opportunity and are renting the properties as house shares.
many are also coming as family units, complete with grandparents.

that would indicate that there is plenty of work in the area.
we have the 'sports direct' factory and distribution centre here.
they pay minimum wage and the owner is polish and has already been prosecuted once for going to poland to recruit... no one from the local area seems to get a foot over the doorstep.

all this does is drive the rental prices even higher.

this isnt an issue on the whole,as there is sufficient social housing.
but no one wants to build the 1 beds, because that isnt where the demand is.
the council give the go ahead, as in return they gain more social housing as part of the deal.

this situation isnt going to change.
so people like me have NO choice.

only another 19 years til i reach rension age and it doesnt affect me anymore .... but then theyll change the rules again

seven-day-weekend

Just looked at the housing available for my Council. There are 56 properties available, nine are one-bedroom and are available for single people or couples, of these most are upper-floor flats, one is a bungalow. There are about eight or nine more one-beds with over-60s or disabled restrictions, for singles or couples, these are mostly ground floor flats or bungalows.

Most of the family size homes are available to families with children under 21. There are a very few which just specify 'families'.

A few of the two-bed places are available to single people, not many. Most of them are for families with children under 21.

It does warn on the introductory page that if you have a place with more bedrooms than you need, then if you claim HB you will have to pay the difference.

Quite interesting really.

Dunroamin

nannytone wrote: »

it has the potential to ruin communities, with the social housing sector becoming as transient as the private sector[/B]

Personally, I think that more flexibility is exactly what the social housing sector could do with, particularly if it means breaking up many of of the estates where generations of benefit dependent families live.

Viberduo

princessdon wrote: »

Overgrown gardens are often older residents outgrown families whose age and health makes it harder.

I have 4 children (on my own a lot) work full time and my garden in well kept (well in summer I'm no martyr). Gardens are a precious commodity for families. Few have that luxury, another reason to downsize if you can't maintain IMO. Seriously they are like hold dust

In my experience its the other way round, had many elderly neighbours who keep their gardens beautiful till the day they die, but growing up it was the families with kids that had the overgrown ones

Not saying its all families but each is different, my parents can maintain their gardens at their age but the garden grows so quickly that it takes few hours at least a week to mow alone so someone working full time and with kids may find time a luxury, ironically their garden is bigger than their house!

Anyway my parents house costs far less then the LHA rate anyway so I would be annoyed if they had to top up compared to someone with a house on full lha topping up the same amount

princessdon

Viberduo wrote: »

In my experience its the other way round, had many elderly neighbours who keep their gardens beautiful till the day they die, but growing up it was the families with kids that had the overgrown ones

Not saying its all families but each is different, my parents can maintain their gardens at their age but the garden grows so quickly that it takes few hours at least a week to mow alone so someone working full time and with kids may find time a luxury, ironically their garden is bigger than their house!

Anyway my parents house costs far less then the LHA rate anyway so I would be annoyed if they had to top up compared to someone with a house on full lha topping up the same amount

A few hours a week to mow a lawn for a heathy working age? My 8 yr old does it under half an hour (and rarely in winter). Families need to stop being lazy IMO. No excuse other than disability or age for unkempt gardens.

Look round your owner occupier family estates. See any overgrown gardens? Laziness pure and simple and should leave to give others a chance.

OAPS I get, able bodied - nope.

Viberduo

princessdon wrote: »

A few hours a week to mow a lawn for a heathy working age? My 8 yr old does it under half an hour (and rarely in winter). Families need to stop being lazy IMO. No excuse other than disability or age for unkempt gardens.

My dad used to moan at me to do the garden as a chore as I got pocket money

Most likely true as parents wont make the kids do the chores(lol the amount of people I know at uni who cant even cook and some asked me how to turn on a oven! or use a washing machine!)

Wait were you hinting my dad was lazy for taking a few hours? More like he couldnt afford a good mower, a few times when he borrowed a good one it took a hour or two at very max but you fail to understand the size of this garden! It really is about double the size of the house and has loads of bumps.

And I see messy gardens in owner occupier areas as well as council estates, in fact its about equal

princessdon

Viberduo wrote: »

My dad used to moan at me to do the garden as a chore as I got pocket money

Most likely true as parents wont make the kids do the chores(lol the amount of people I know at uni who cant even cook and some asked me how to turn on a oven! or use a washing machine!)

That's parenting for you! Many families are in very cramped and poor conditions in private rental. They'd give their eye teeth for secure tenancy, garden and 14% "tax".

Spare a thought to families on the waiting list for years when looking at this subject.