Soy or cow's milk?

Lotus-eater

runningwoman wrote: »

something a bit "ick" about black tea!

Tea without milk isn't supposed to be as strong as tea with milk. You should be able to see the bottom of the cup clearly.

Try some sort of other tea, Rooibos tea is great without milk. So are any number of herbal teas. But even normal decent tea is good without milk as long as it's weak.
Think about dipping in the teabag a few times, instead of letting it steep for a few minutes and then squeezing it against the side.

RevolvingDoor

From what I have read the negative effects of having a lot of soya in your diet might be on your thyroid but you would have to include a lot of that to happen. Soya is eaten widely in Asian countries and their populations are high so I don't know that claims that soya might lead to male infertility are valid.

Personally I have non-dairy milks as a vegan and have noticed that I have less sinus problems than I used to when I ate dairy. Dairy can be mucous producing.

Jox

I get a runny nose and have to clear my throat a lot when I drink cow's milk and eat cheese....

I've just had a green tea and unsweetened soya milk (from lidl) and porridge and soya milk, yum!

neneromanova

To be honest, Cows milk is actually really bad for you if you look at some studies: http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

Milk depletes the calcium from your bones
The milk myth has spread around the world based on the flawed belief that this protein and calcium-rich drink is essential to support good overall health and bone health in particular at any age. It is easy to understand that the confusion about milk’s imaginary benefits stems from the fact that it contains calcium – around 300 mg per cup.

But many scientific studies have shown an assortment of detrimental health effects directly linked to milk consumption. And the most surprising link is that not only do we barely absorb the calcium in cow’s milk (especially if pasteurized), but to make matters worse, it actually increases calcium loss from the bones. What an irony this is!

Here’s how it happens. Like all animal protein, milk acidifies the body pH which in turn triggers a biological correction. You see, calcium is an excellent acid neutralizer and the biggest storage of calcium in the body is – you guessed it… in the bones. So the very same calcium that our bones need to stay strong is utilized to neutralize the acidifying effect of milk. Once calcium is pulled out of the bones, it leaves the body via the urine, so that the surprising net result after this is an actual calcium deficit.

Knowing this, you’ll understand why statistics show that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population (there’s more on this later).
But the sad truth is that most mainstream health practitioners ignore these proven facts. I know it firsthand because when I was diagnosed with osteoporosis, my doctor recommended that I drink lots of milk in addition to taking Fosamax.

Fortunately, I did neither, because I knew that…

It goes on to state studies and why cows milk is specifically designed for calves....duh

j.e.j.

I don't get on with dairy myself (I get similar symptoms to what people have described on this thread, - bad skin, mucousy cough, etc) but humans have been consuming dairy products since time immemorial. Many cultures use sheeps milk or goats milk as well as cows milk. So my guess is the problem might not necessarily lie with the milk itself but with the way it is mass-produced and intensively farmed in order to meet demands.

Jox

Pasteurization also causes a problem, raw organic milk from one cow that hasn't been pumped full of hormones and antibiotics (rather than the way the milk from hundreds of cows are mixed together) might be beneficial in small quantities...

heart_free

I drink the Alpro soya UHT version - the fresh stuff is horrid! I have to admit, I do prefer cows milk on cereal, but anything else and I use the alpro. As said before, something odd happens in coffee, it seems to seperate. I've accidently used the soy milk in other peoples tea and they've never noticed the difference :-)

Helen2k8

Strictly speaking, personally, neither.

Standard milk makes me snotty and causes general inflammation, too much bloats me, I'm not entirely comfortable with the dairy industry, and trying raw milk didn't make much difference.

Soy milk is an industrial byproduct using lovely substances such as hexane to extract the "milk". Not to mention all those hormonal effects sloshing around. No thanks. Oh, and lots of it is now GM, and rainforests get cleared to grow this junk.


I've made "sunflower milk" easily, for a novelty, and it was okay. I think you can use the same process for almonds too. I do buy organic milk now and then, because a cup of tea just isn't the same without

SueC_2

thatlemming wrote: »

it goes all weird in coffee

Try letting your coffee cool slightly before you add the soya milk.

brook2jack

It's very interesting to read the ingredients of alot of soya milks. Soya milk on its own promotes dental decay, but most soya milks have sugar added, in addition.
Here is the ingredient list for alpro original in which sugar is the third largest ingredient.


Water, Hulled soya beans (6%), Sugar, Acidity regulators (Monopotassium phosphate, Dipotassium phosphate), Calcium carbonate, Flavouring (), Sea salt, Stabiliser (Gellan gum), Vitamins (Riboflavin (B2), B12, D2)


Be under no illusions soya milk is as manufactured a product as orange squash.