Green Deal MSE Guide Discussion

danababy6

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

I have noticed, not only the fact that all 'promoters' or salesman are not only first time posters, but have XYZ (sorry had to delete the link to reply)

I am NOT a salesman nor am I affiliated with anyone. My neighbour told me that she had been reading about the GD on here and I thought I would check out the information being provided and answer some questions if I felt that it was within the scope of my training.

I will say that I am currently going through the training process to become GDA but I have no intention of touting myself for business in an online forum.

danababy6

John_Pierpoint wrote: »

The Green Deal is all about improving your property towards low carbon standards, not getting you access to low(ish) cost finance, sticking the repayments onto the electricity bill and moving on in 12 months time.
To give an extreme example, the EPC for this property would probably suggest that replacing the night storage heaters, with a nice new gas boiler, would reduce heating bills, but in reality and in carbon saving terms, the sensible thing to do would be knock it down and rebuild.


This is the delux model incorporating 25mm of corrugated cardboard as insulation:

I think you'd find that it wouldn't meet the Green Deal principle anyway.

Ecodave

Danababy6 - who has told you that you aren't allowed to call the Golden Rule, the Golden Rule?

Ecodave

David Camero - the issue with EPC's is that a Green Deal Advisor needs to be certain that the EPC has been accurately produced if he/she is to rely upon it as the basis of an advice report. The only way to be certain of this is to re-assess the property and then compare it to the data inputs on the existing EPC. The only exception to this would be where the original EPC was produced by the GD Advisor, worth checking to see if the DEA who did your EPC in February is now qualified as a GD Advisor.

Bottom line is, if I need to check someone else's work, prior to my GD assessment, I am going to charge for that work. If the EPC was completed by me originally, I only need to check for changes to the property.

danababy6

Ecodave wrote: »

Danababy6 - who has told you that you aren't allowed to call the Golden Rule, the Golden Rule?

My trainer and 2xGDAOs. Apparently it caused confusion and people were asking what the silver/platinum rules were.

David_Camero

Istar337 let us see a copy of his Green Deal Assessment. The only difference between that and my EPC is the green print, all the data is essentially the same. Yet I still have to pay £150 to be told the same information. I only want to claim £400 against the cost of a new boiler but it is not worth it. £150 for assessment, find a green deal installer(the nearest is 90 miles), then another £150 to reassess. All this for £100!
At that rate 75 percent of the money is not green at all. It is simply going into the pockets of the assessors.

danababy6

David_Camero wrote: »

Istar337 let us see a copy of his Green Deal Assessment. The only difference between that and my EPC is the green print, all the data is essentially the same. Yet I still have to pay £150 to be told the same information. I only want to claim £400 against the cost of a new boiler but it is not worth it. £150 for assessment, find a green deal installer(the nearest is 90 miles), then another £150 to reassess. All this for £100!
At that rate 75 percent of the money is not green at all. It is simply going into the pockets of the assessors.

You only require1 Green Deal Assessment as once it is lodged it is technically available to any provider you chose to contact. If you have the work done through the GD then the provider will find a PAS2030 approved installer. As far as I am aware after the instal you are provided with an updated EPC (which states EPC following GD).

David_Camero

The EPC report and certificate are available to view online. How do you get installation done through GD if there are no local providers only accredited tradesmen?

danababy6

David_Camero wrote: »

The EPC report and certificate are available to view online. How do you get installation done through GD if there are no local providers only accredited tradesmen?

Providers are not installers, they are national companies that provide the loan. Once you sign up to a loan provider they will find accredited tradesmen who work in the area.

The EPC report & certificate still require an assessor to come and validate the EPC and provide the occupancy report for a GD loan to be ''approved''

Assessment - Report lodged - Provider contacts you with a more accurate repayment figures - You accept - Provider finds tradesman - Tradesman contacts you with an install date - Job signed off - Provider contacts utility company - Payments taken.

The tradesman may not necessarily be local and may be from a large company such as British Gas.

Also, the assessment may cost £150 but that does not mean that the assessor is being paid £150.

David_Camero

Danababy6 I do not need a loan. I simply want to take advantage of the £400 allowance available for installing condensing boiler. I can get a local Corgi gas fitter to replace my old boiler for a lot less than say Scottish Power would charge. It seems pointless to me to duplicate the EPC with another report telling me I need to upgrade my boiler.