MCZ Musa Hydro 15kw - thoughts

cancunia

I've not had any problems so far with Brites, sorry to hear about yours.

[Deleted User]

our brites are good but we handle quite carefully and store in a dry atmosphere. None of the bags have accidental holes. Maybe, candyflossco, your bags have been roughly manhandled somewhere, tossed about by a machine or person

candyflossco

thanks for getting back, they are pumped into the hooper . so maybe to much force :-(

Burnardo

To quote Silent Dancer,
Burnardo's post is interesting as there is now an admission by the product suppliers it is not just an installation problem but due to explosive ignition. I am not sure of the standards for pellet boilers but I'd guess that there are tests to ensure that the boiler is safe if explosive ignition occurs.

Burnardo states that it his old oil boiler suffered from explosive ignition. Clearly it was well designed and built as it did not disintegrate when such an event occurred.

Now don't go putting words into my mouth. I said that there were problems caused by incorrect installations and lack of maintenance, you infer that the company admitted the problem was due to explosive ignition, I did not say that.
If a gas or oil burner was badly installed or not maintained it would be just as bad (if not worse in the case of gas - a silent, invisible killer).

You also state that the old oil burner was well designed and built as it did not disintegrate when it exploded, you fail to mention the other facts that it was 70% efficient and leaked oil into the kitchen, not such a good machine then. Oh and I was being kind to it saying it occasionally exploded, it was more like a daily occurrence.

I state again that we have had no problems with our machine, get great enjoyment from seeing it working as well the room heat and hot water.
Oh and for the record, if ever we did get a blow out (unlikely as it was well installed and is well maintained), the flap that was fitted to our flue would act as a safety valve.

I appreciate Silent Dancers caution and her/his advice about bogus installation companies, but some of his/her posts do seem to be anti-biomass for some reason.

info_seeker

Burnardo's post is interesting as there is now an admission by the product suppliers that it is not just an installation problem but due to explosive ignition. I am not sure of the standards for pellet boilers but I'd guess that there are tests to ensure that the boiler is safe if explosive ignition occurs.

Thanks for the info -its interesting, however I have had no update from the supplier regarding explosive ignitions, where can I find the admission from the supplier?

[Deleted User]

info seeker, information is very hard to find and you are best doing your own research. No-one is, I am sure, going to say anything remotely libellous on public forum. My own information came from a trusted certified installer

Silent_Dancer

Burnardo wrote: »

Now don't go putting words into my mouth. I said that there were problems caused by incorrect installations and lack of maintenance, you infer that the company admitted the problem was due to explosive ignition, I did not say that.

Yes fair comment your installer said it due to explosive ignition caused by poor customer maintenance or incorrect installation.

If a gas or oil burner was badly installed or not maintained it would be just as bad (if not worse in the case of gas - a silent, invisible killer).

Yes that is correct. However, note that the silent deadly killer is carbon monoxide not gas which is an issue for all fuel burning appliances.

You also state that the old oil burner was well designed and built as it did not disintegrate when it exploded, you fail to mention the other facts that it was 70% efficient and leaked oil into the kitchen, not such a good machine then. Oh and I was being kind to it saying it occasionally exploded, it was more like a daily occurrence.

You should not have put up with your old oil boiler suffering from explosive ignition and leaking oil. Did you not have it maintained and serviced? As regards efficiency modern oil boilers are 90% efficient.

I state again that we have had no problems with our machine, get great enjoyment from seeing it working as well the room heat and hot water.
Oh and for the record, if ever we did get a blow out (unlikely as it was well installed and is well maintained), the flap that was fitted to our flue would act as a safety valve.

Great you have done the right thing in having it installed by a competent professional.

I appreciate Silent Dancers caution and her/his advice about bogus installation companies, but some of his/her posts do seem to be anti-biomass for some reason.

I am not anti biomass. I am anti my taxes being using on the RHI subsidy which is then being used by conman to sell biomass boilers as an investment without mentioning any downsides. If a bank sold investments in this way they would receive a fine off the FCA.

It seems like you have walked into the installation of your stove with open eyes and I wish you many years of heat and enjoyment from it.

captainhindsight_2

Burnardo wrote: »

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I appreciate Silent Dancers caution and her/his advice about bogus installation companies, but some of his/her posts do seem to be anti-biomass for some reason.

I 100% agree there are some people on here who have an aversion against everything renewable the only reason I can think is because they don't understand the market. I can think of one other think but think it would be removed.... Lol.

captainhindsight_2

Silent_Dancer wrote: »

I am not anti biomass. I am anti my taxes being using on the RHI subsidy which is then being used by conman to sell biomass boilers as an investment without mentioning any downsides. If a bank sold investments in this way they would receive a fine off the FCA.

Many mcs installers are also green deal companies which must have an fca licence....

I think you need to open your eyes a bit, and instead of you hijacking this thread could it please be left to the issue of the MCZ boilers as it Is a serious issue and many people are worried about what is going to happen.

Burnardo

Info Seeker, the warning came via the MCS, I asked my installer for further details and am assured that our install will not suffer the same problems.
As I stated earlier, the problem is not with the boiler itself, but with poor installs and lack of maintenance.

Silent Dancer, at risk of being too pedantic, gas can be a silent killer in two ways, unfortunate people who end their lives by putting their head in the oven die of lack of O2, not excess CO (I think). Also a gas leak can destroy a house if undetected, if my fuel source leaked I could tidy it up with a dustpan and brush

Your point about not putting up with a poor machine is valid, we had only just moved into our house and we didn't put up with it. And our Boiler was tested at 93% when installed (there's pedantry for you).

As to taxes being used on the RHI subsidy, if it were not for the RHI I doubt we would have installed biomass (which is good for us, good for the planet and ergo good for you), for once public money is being put to good use and the rules (as we found them) sufficiently strict to exclude con men.

But again I do appreciate your caution, biomass is a maturing industry in this country, and the fly by night merchants need to be weeded out. We found the MCS requirements very strict, and should enable biomass to become a viable alternative in the right circumstances.