MSE News: Green Deal launches to help insulate homes

rogerblack

Consumerist wrote: »

Mould suggest damp so lack of ventilation would seem to be the problem.

Yes.
It sounds like someone has filled up the cavity with something that is obstructing ventilation through it, and perhaps allowing damp to wick.

gornalboy

My boiler settings remain the same and I have TR Valves on every radiator governing room heat.

penrhyn

But what temperature are you heating your varous rooms too? The higher the setting on your TRVs the warmer the room and the more gas you use.
You would probably same a lot more by fitting a programmable room stat, as they are more accurate in regulating room temperature than TRVs.
Siting could be a problem if you are using your solid fuel fire, easily overcome by using a wireless version.
Something like.

http://www.heatingcontrolsonline.co.uk/acl-drayton-invensys-digistat-plus-two-wireless-programmable-thermostat-p-96.html

epcdave

The truth about the Green Deal, the GOV did not take any notice of assessors in the real world. They let anyone become GDA without any experience of carrying out EPCs (a few days training!!). They said it should be an independent report but then said if you are tied to an energy supplier you should inform the customer and you can sell other products. A so called no upfront cost, well how does the genuine non biased GD assessor get paid? Yes based on kickbacks!!All sorts of traing companies have set up offering riches on the back of this.There are 1000s of EPC providers who can’t get work. And they know it.

Most EPCs will say you can’t get funding, as it does not add up under the golden rule. It’s a totally flawed concept. Landlords will be more than happy however to see his tenants pay for this.

Have a look at the Real Green Deal on youtube.

Joyful

I cam across this which interestingly shows if a tenanted property is empty the Landlord will have to pay the green deal repayments.https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/65555/6636-quick-guide-to-the-green-deal-for-residential-land.pdf

2010

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

Since I had cavity wall and loft insulation I have had trouble with mould in all rooms........... and before you ask we have a brand new boiler and airvents fitted.

Twice I came within a whisker of having FREE CWI but luckily it didn`t happen.
The first time B Gas actually turned up to tell me they couldn`t do it because of snow on the roof and too low a temperature.
The 2nd time EDF was going to do it but I phoned at the last moment and cancelled.

My main concern was the drastic reports I`d read and heard about mould and condensation caused by CWI.
Search Google for CWI problems.

It`s no good saying "it`s OK if it`s done properly",
(shouldn`t it always be done properly?).
The installers don`t give a toss, they just do it and you never see them again.
Once it`s in and trouble occurs, try getting it removed for free.

As for the new Green Deal, letting the most distrusted companies in the country (energy) run it, is like putting Dracula in charge of the National Blood Bank.

Ken68

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BT2Ltcdh8...Nov 2012.

Fred56

The Green Deal is another market control mechanism. What ever you get done will cost you far more than simply engaging a competent contractor.
Here's an example. I installed Solar PV on a new build last year. I used a very competitive local contractor. When I analyse his invoices I see that for MCS (Microgeneration Certification Scheme) work he charges £400 per day and when he is just a regular (NICEIC registered) electrical installer he charges £160 per day. That's what market control does and it will just the same with Green Deal. Government meddling in the market always inflates prices - evidence the stupid prices being charged for solar PV until recently, look back also at the daft prices charged for LPG conversions for cars when it was grant aided. Compulsion through product certification, contractor certification etc always leads to exploitation.


It's hard enough to sell houses and you have to ask yourself, who would buy a house with another person's debts attached? Not me that's for sure.

grahamc2003

I wonder if the loan for these things will be secured on the property and written in as a charge on the land registry certificate. I suppose it must be, to give security to the loan provider (who is explicitly stated as a 'commercial' loan provider). If so, that implies permission will have to be sought from the loan provider when it comes to selling the property.

Although quite complex and full of many parties all interested in maximising their own profit, I think this will be easy to sell (at least to the less financially sophisticated). The angle that 'it doesn't cost anything due to the Golden Rule' will be a powerful sales motivator for many people. (And how I dislike terms such as 'Golden Rule' implying some sort of positive connotations).

It looks like the 'Golden Rule' will be based on a simple assessors calculation of savings, and not on any real savings. Aiui, the calculated savings will be used as the addition to future bills, and not for example, any real savings in future bills. So your bills aren't guaranteed not to increase overall at all (even ignoring future energy price rises).

Ecodave

grahamc2003 wrote: »

I wonder if the loan for these things will be secured on the property and written in as a charge on the land registry certificate. I suppose it must be, to give security to the loan provider (who is explicitly stated as a 'commercial' loan provider). If so, that implies permission will have to be sought from the loan provider when it comes to selling the property.

Although quite complex and full of many parties all interested in maximising their own profit, I think this will be easy to sell (at least to the less financially sophisticated). The angle that 'it doesn't cost anything due to the Golden Rule' will be a powerful sales motivator for many people. (And how I dislike terms such as 'Golden Rule' implying some sort of positive connotations).

It looks like the 'Golden Rule' will be based on a simple assessors calculation of savings, and not on any real savings. Aiui, the calculated savings will be used as the addition to future bills, and not for example, any real savings in future bills. So your bills aren't guaranteed not to increase overall at all (even ignoring future energy price rises).

The loan is not secured on the property. It is attached to the electricity meter and therefore whoever is named on the electricity bill is responsible for paying it. It's presence wil be declared on the EPC, and so anyone moving in to the house will be made fully aware of its presence before making an offer, or in the case of rental, before agreeing a contract.

You are also incorrect about the calculations that make up the Golden Rule. These are performed by the EPC software based on the data input by the assessor. The assessors work is audited at random, so any attempt to manipulate the Golden Rule will be picked up. The calculations of heat loss are based around research conducted by
independent industry bodies, and within those calculations a buffer zone has been created to protect the Golden Rule. The main way that the Golden Rule will fail, is when an individual ignores all advice and cranks up the thermostat as soon as the fitters are out of the door. You can't do anything to guarantee human behaviour, and hence this is why no guarantee can be offered in regards to lowering energy bills.