slow drivers

brat

martinthebandit wrote: »

Fair enough, option 1 then.

Yes, but you were saying they are inconsiderate. I disagree with you.

martinthebandit

brat wrote: »

Yes, but you were saying they are inconsiderate. I disagree with you.

Hmmm I can see where you are coming from and I actually agree with you, if that's the speed they feel safe at then I wouldn't want to encourage them to go any faster.

I suppose they could be consisted inconsiderate though if they are still driving when they are no longer capable of driving at a standard necessary for passing the driving test?

Tough one really, because it seems a bit harsh to ask them to give up their driving licence.

Maybe they should just pull over occasionally and let the queue of traffic behind them get past?

I don't know what the answer is.

[Deleted User]

Heres another one.. why every time I do 90-95mph in the second lane of a duel carriageway, some kn#b will always be up my backside wanting to be past?

Joe_Horner

martinthebandit wrote: »

Ah, so you want to change to option 3? OK, thanks

..... and the original question did include the phrase 'when is safe to do so' which you seem to have ignored in all your answers.

No, my post was about another option and didn't ignore your "when it's safe to do so". That is clearly intended to mean "when I, as the following driver, thinks it's safe to do so because my judgement is right and they're just slow".

Sadly, it's that sort of attitude that leads to the roads being unsafe in the first place so, if they're in front of someone like that, they're probably right to slow down, ready for when he does something stupid like a blind overtake - which would no doubt be "their fault" for being slow in the first place

Bottom line is, they're comfortable at that speed for whatever reason, their reason doesn't matter, and if you don't like it or get stressed while driving (vey dangerous) because of it you could always take the bus :beer:

Joe_Horner

martinthebandit wrote: »

Both are a source of annoyance and frustration to considerate drivers.

See my last post.

One of the things about "considerate" drivers is that they don't get annoyed or frustrated no matter what the other person is doing. The clue's in the word "considerate":

con·sid·er·ate (kn-sdr-t)adj.1. Having or marked by regard for the needs or feelings of others

They feel that they're doing an appropriate speed, the considerate driver accepts that and gets on with it, without wishing to impose his judgement on them.

If you find yourself feeling either annoyance or frustration then you're simply not as considerate as you believe.

Blackpool_Saver

martinthebandit wrote: »

OK it seems some posters are getting hung up on parts of my original question that are not really relevant, let me rephrase it.

If you do not drive at, or close to the speed limit, WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO, would you care explain why?

you are like a dog with a bone man, (56) :rotfl:perhaps they don't think it is safe to do so, just because you do doesn't mean it is. Also what seems safe may not be, black ice for example, there could be a small element of doubt. Live and let live for goodness sake. Happy weekend.

iltisman

I used to be a speeder back in the 70s (Marble Arch to Manchester airport 2.5 hours) Nowadays it is hopeless speed cameras and drivers unwillingness to overtake. I now drive for extreme economy, 82 mpg in a Panda Diesel on regular runs Cambridge to Cheshire.

lister

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Speed limits are a maximum safe speed.

I don't want to pick on you particularly as others in the thread have said the same, but this post was easier to find...

This really, really isn't true. There are many winding, narrow country lanes with high hedges which are NSL roads. It most definitely isn't safe to do 60mph in a car along them.

Speed limits are the maximum permissible speed. A very different thing.

With my driving instructor hat on, I would suggest that as a rule of thumb, a reasonably good driver is one whose everyday driving would not cause them to fail a driving test.

So would 45mph in on an NSL road when it is safe to do 60mph get you into trouble on a driving test? Almost cetainly if you did it for prolonged periods of time (not that you would normally have the chance on an L-test). 20mph in a 30 limit (where 30mph would be safe) is a far more common fault (not necessarily a failure if not frequent and repeated).

However, good drivers are always considerate and accept that the day to day driving of a very large proportion of UK road users is woefully inadequate for many and varied reasons.

I, however, would suggest to the OP that there is a reason you have missed. A very large proportion of poor driving behaviour on the road stems from a complete absence of thought because of a disassociation from the driving task. A great many drivers simply do not consciously think about their driving in any way on a day to day basis.

In many cases the people doing 45mph on an NSL road aren't doing it for a reason (which implies some cognitive thought process about what they are doing) - it is just a natural speed they attain completely subconsciously with no consideration of safety, progress, fuel efficiency or any other factor.

derrick

muckybutt wrote: »

Suppose you would be moaning at a van doing 50 in a nsl limit as well then ? nsl being 50 on A roads for vans

Not true, a lot of vans, (car derived), are allowed the same speed limits as cars, i.e. 60 on NSL A roads.

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martinthebandit

Joe_Horner wrote: »

No, my post was about another option and didn't ignore your "when it's safe to do so". That is clearly intended to mean "when I, as the following driver, thinks it's safe to do so because my judgement is right and they're just slow".

Sadly, it's that sort of attitude that leads to the roads being unsafe in the first place so, if they're in front of someone like that, they're probably right to slow down, ready for when he does something stupid like a blind overtake - which would no doubt be "their fault" for being slow in the first place

Bottom line is, they're comfortable at that speed for whatever reason, their reason doesn't matter, and if you don't like it or get stressed while driving (vey dangerous) because of it you could always take the bus :beer:

'Their reason doesn't matter'? How strange.

Of course a drivers reasoning matters, if you can understand why a person is driving as they are it helps you in anticipating what they are going to do next.

Or isn't anticipating things an important part of driving?

OK, I understand that you did read all my OP, you just chose to decide I meant to write something else.

Its a funny old world.