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Massive benefits cuts
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Or Tory
Or the increase in VAT and NI which will more than make it up for anybody on average pay."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »GeorgeHowell wrote: »
Just remind me how the sick and unfortunate would be catered for in the Capitalist model or aren't these allowed?
If people are too sick to work they would not come under the auspices of labour rates anyway. Unfortunate is too broad a term to comment objectively because there so many ideas as to what it does, or should, mean. My definition in this context would be those who are unable to pull their weight through no fault of their own, but who would like to if they could.
Pure capitalism does not address such issues because it's concern only lies with capital and labour. But in a civilised democratic society, a state-run safety net in the form of a national insurance scheme to look after such individuals will be accepted, indeed demanded, by the population.
We appear to have reached the point in the UK where to some people sick can effectively mean self-diagnosed as unfit to work, and unfortunate can mean can't work/won't work, which renders the whole social contract unfair, unaffordable, and unsustainable.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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A lot of people that haven't had a pay rise in 5 years would love these massive cuts (an actual rise)0
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A lot of people that haven't had a pay rise in 5 years would love these massive cuts (an actual rise)
If they haven't had increases wouldn't some of these strivers start to be picked up by benefits if they are "needy"?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »grizzly1911 wrote: »
If people are too sick to work they would not come under the auspices of labour rates anyway. Unfortunate is too broad a term to comment objectively because there so many ideas as to what it does, or should, mean. My definition in this context would be those who are unable to pull their weight through no fault of their own, but who would like to if they could.
Pure capitalism does not address such issues because it's concern only lies with capital and labour. But in a civilised democratic society, a state-run safety net in the form of a national insurance scheme to look after such individuals will be accepted, indeed demanded, by the population.
We appear to have reached the point in the UK where to some people sick can effectively mean self-diagnosed as unfit to work, and unfortunate can mean can't work/won't work, which renders the whole social contract unfair, unaffordable, and unsustainable.
When we introduce NI we are then tampering with the model, or acknowledging that it isn't a perfect model.
For the last para isn't that what all the DLA reassessments are trying to shake out by changing the rules?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »GeorgeHowell wrote: »
When we introduce NI we are then tampering with the model, or acknowledging that it isn't a perfect model.
Adam Smith (quoted from Wiki for brevity)
People read snippets of Adam Smith, the few phrases they teach in school. Everybody reads the first paragraph of The Wealth of Nations where he talks about how wonderful the division of labor is. But not many people get to the point hundreds of pages later, where he says that division of labor will destroy human beings and turn people into creatures as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human being to be. And therefore in any civilized society the government is going to have to take some measures to prevent division of labor from proceeding to its limits."[86]
Who ever said it is perfect ? As Churchill did say -- or at least something like this -- democratic capitalism is the worst political and economic system ..... except for all the others.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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Perhaps we should stop regarding tax credits as benefits and regard them as rebates of past or potential future tax. Seems fair enough.Its not called welfare
Its not called social security
Its is your money you paid into the system ?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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