Massive benefits cuts

coastline

If you've got a few minutes you might have time to read this...
Some details into who claims the benefits...links to government departments and charities and other various sources..

http://www.turn2us.org.uk/pdf/Mythbusting.pdf

pqrdef

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

That's sums up one of the prime fallacies of left-wing thinking -- that there is no benefit to society as a whole from rewarding enterprise, initiative, ability, effort, and risk-taking.

Only up to a point. Look at any sports team.. Somebody puts in a star performance - pat him on the back, carry him aloft, pay him a bonus, let him be the hero of the hour. Even if he did get lucky.

But if you pay him 10 times as much, and let him start lording it over the rest of the team, and treating them like dirt, and complaining that they aren't pulling their weight, then the team is in trouble. Because he can't do it on his own.

Some will achieve more than others. Doesn't mean they should get paid like the sun shines out of their !!!!!!.

Fella

One of the things that amuses me most about class warfare types who loathe & despise most people who've achieved high wages etc, is how so many of them happily troop off to football at the weekend & pay for the privilege of watching adoringly as 22 millionaires have a kick-about.

Am fairly certain the irony doesn't even occur to them.

N1AK

MouseTrap wrote: »

Socialism advocates a fair wage for everybody. It is Capitalism which causes companies to pay their workers peanuts in order to maximise profits.

Alternatively Socialism advocates making personal effort and risk taking pointless because you could be equally well off putting minimum effort into a low demand job. Capitalism encourages people to work harder and risk their resources in order to reap rewards and in the process make everyone richer.

Regardless of what theoretical definition you hold to the truth is that no society on earth is entirely capitalist or socialist.

Linton

Fella wrote: »

One of the things that amuses me most about class warfare types who loathe & despise most people who've achieved high wages etc, is how so many of them happily troop off to football at the weekend & pay for the privilege of watching adoringly as 22 millionaires have a kick-about.

Am fairly certain the irony doesn't even occur to them.

I see no reason to loathe & despise most people who have achieved high wages. Most have behaved rationally and responsibly in the situation they have found themselves. That does not prevent one attacking (loathe & despise seem rather OTT) the system that created the situation.

pqrdef

MouseTrap wrote: »

You clearly know nothing about socialism.

Socialism advocates a fair wage for everybody. It is Capitalism which causes companies to pay their workers peanuts in order to maximise profits.

200 years ago we had the Speenhamland system, when agricultural wages were made up by the parish to the level of parish relief for paupers, so that unemployed people wouldn't be better off than those working. The immediate effect was that wages fell even lower.

Wages were below the breadline because the country had given in to the demands of landowners to enclose the open fields, to increase productivity, without a thought for how the economy would support the labourers made redundant as a result.

Not much socialism in evidence. Plenty of greed though.

grizzly1911

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

That's sums up one of the prime fallacies of left-wing thinking -- that there is no benefit to society as a whole from rewarding enterprise, initiative, ability, effort, and risk-taking.

There is no problem with these laudable qualities being rewarded.

It just depends on the size of the relative reward. The fact that all five elements rarely don't come together and that individually they can mean different things. Initiative could be exchanged for exploitation for example.

There was a lot of initiative and risk taking in the Banking Sector but little enterprise, ability or effort.

Olympic security - enterprise, effort and risk taking . Ability and initiative?

DWP cleaning contractors - enterprise, initiative. Risk taking, ability and effort?

If we genuinely had lots of people demonstrating all these qualities then, possibly, we wouldn't be in the problems we are. They might just allow benefits to flow you never know.

For someone to win someone has to lose.

Economics is all about choice, while sociology is about why people have no choices.

flexrider

People are missing one thing out here

Its not called welfare
Its not called social security
Its is your money you paid into the system ?

StevieJ

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Surely this is more than offset by the increased personal allowances on your tax that you have received over the last couple of years, and which you would not have received under Labour, who like to tax people, especially the poor.

Remember the removal of the 10% tax rate?

But yes, what cuts? How does it apply to you?

Or Tory

Linton

flexrider wrote: »

People are missing one thing out here

Its not called welfare
Its not called social security
Its is your money you paid into the system ?

I think you are forgetting that the only reason you have sufficient money to be a net contributor (if you are) is you are dependent on those who arent.