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Massive benefits cuts
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We have redistribution because free markets produce wider inequality than the social fabric can stand.Not forgetting that for those with kids, it's only the top 40% that are putting into the system on a net basis. 60% for families take more than they pay in tax.
That's because fundamentally we know that the rich aren't better, just luckier.
The case has to be made for not sharing the luck out more fairly. Because there's nothing fair about the present system. In most organisations the income differential between the senior management and the "workers" is still far wider than can possibly be justified. Who do these people think they are?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
How the fr1gging hell is anyone supposed to cope with this devastating reduction in benefits????????
These are hardly devastating reductions in benefits and might lead to a virtuous circle where people are encouraged to work more (rather than being forced), they then find that they have more money, they find work leads to improved mental health and a more positive attitude, they become better role models for the kids etc. etc.
Benefits, particularly work related, are subsidies to low paying employers so more pressure might be put on employers to increase wages. Some cost will be transferred to the consumer but at least there's a choice. Don't see why I should subsidise low paid workers at Tesco, for example, when Tesco and their customers should be paying.
Great oaks and all that.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »GeorgeHowell wrote: »
Nothing to do with with Capitalism, greed and self interest?
No..........No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
We have redistribution because free markets produce wider inequality than the social fabric can stand.
That's because fundamentally we know that the rich aren't better, just luckier.
The case has to be made for not sharing the luck out more fairly. Because there's nothing fair about the present system. In most organisations the income differential between the senior management and the "workers" is still far wider than can possibly be justified. Who do these people think they are?
And who do the bone idle think they are to sit on their Aris and demand money from those that work for a living?
The 1% in the UK paid 24% of income tax in 2009 and the top 10% paid well over half. They don't have any more to give.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8417205.stm
You are concentrating on a tiny part of the economy when you look at the rich. If you look at the people who work for a living and get on: middle managers, supervisors, skilled and semi-skilled workers then at the moment they get nothing for working hard by-and-large. In many cases they'd be better off on the dole. Do you think that's a decent or indeed a workable way for a society to be run?0 -
That's because fundamentally we know that the rich aren't better, just luckier.
That's sums up one of the prime fallacies of left-wing thinking -- that there is no benefit to society as a whole from rewarding enterprise, initiative, ability, effort, and risk-taking.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »That's sums up one of the prime fallacies of left-wing thinking -- that there is no benefit to society as a whole from rewarding enterprise, initiative, ability, effort, and risk-taking.
Correct IMO.
And profit is merely the difference between what something should cost and what it actually costs.0 -
But could the resources put into catching the benefit cheats be better spent catching the tax evaders,
I wanted to say that I've dealt with tenants on welfare for much of my working life and honestly I'd say the majority are to one degree or another unjustifably claiming.
For example a typical sympathy milker with a bad leg through nhere on all manner of benefits, yet someone that can barely cross the road with serious cerebral paulsy works full time.
All too often it's an attitude thing.0 -
It is quite amusing, and sad, to read how much many of you sound very much like PMQ time blaming each other all the time, to the Left and to the Right, like a game of tennis.
Maybe the energy spent , in government time that is, could have been put to a better use like finding a resolve to these issues, we would at least see some progress.
That I realise is just a dream, because in politics you have to give time for issues to be resolved and we the public just have not got the patience to wait that long. What a waste of more tax payers money.0 -
It is quite amusing, and sad, to read how much many of you sound very much like PMQ time blaming each other all the time, to the Left and to the Right, like a game of tennis.
Maybe the energy spent , in government time that is, could have been put to a better use like finding a resolve to these issues, we would at least see some progress.
That I realise is just a dream, because in politics you have to give time for issues to be resolved and we the public just have not got the patience to wait that long. What a waste of more tax payers money.
Why on earth is it "sad", BertieUK? I also find it all amusing, and, moreover, highly instructional and educational. Plus I'm at home retired and I enjoy our little group and the "set pieces".
I cannot tell you how much I've learnt from this forum. Occasionally it gets to be a slanging match with ad hominem insults, but usually before then, some good info is traded.
As for PMQ, I tend to be out at that time during the day, but did see it today and, again, I thoroughly enjoy it, and believe that it is a great oppportunity to highlight issues and shed light on them. It's the one, short, regular slot when both PM and shadow PM go head-to-head.
For another view on PMQ, you could see Sir Robert Rogers' lecture on "An Insider's View" - a very erudite, genial, and witty man (BBCiPlayer?). Sir Robert is the Clerk of the House of Commons and is the one with the large white beard in wig and gown offering advice to the Speaker during Parliament. He's not there at the moment (I'm watching BBC Parliament now).0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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