If you have a criminal record, can you still claim JSA?

miduck

wayne0 wrote: »

hmm, i have a conviction for affray - i pushed a copper who was beating my brother in the middle of a fight...

some convictions dont show the true effect of what happened...

what punishment was levied on him in court?... for what conviction etc...

a man pays for his crime by the punishment imposed by court (supposedly) but this isnt true is it?

if somebody lost their job due to points on their license... this is their own fault too? so do you feel somebody who gets a speeding ticket whilst at work should be sanctioned and live off nothing etc ...?

you cant judge anybody... who are you to judge them...? (brother/uncle/father/whatever....? - if he has a conviction, he would of been in court and "punished" "accordingly" (although we all know this isnt the case, what is this to do with you? - i doubt you are asking for advice for him, since you believe he shouldnt get help... so?...)

(but also, from personal experience, I failed to declare a conviction for affray on an application form, and recieved a two week sanction when i had to reclaim jsa when it was found out and lost my job... although it got me off benefits for a year all the same... i was back in work a couple of weeks later...)

legally if your not asked about a conviction, you do not have to declare it... and if your sacked for failing to declare it, you can take action... if you are asked and fail to declare, then its your own fault etc...

sanctions depend on the circumstances, and the type of conviction (if driving offences i dont think its comes into it... etc.. i know people who have been done for drink driving etc with no sanctions etc)

also, bear in mind,,, its also down to a pen-pushing decision maker.... but either way its unlikely to be a major sanction...

Might help if you read the thread before answering, most of your questions have already been answered.

I'm not sure when you were sanctioned, but dismissal caused by your own misconduct attracts a sanction of at least 13 weeks!

Gentile

So your family member committed a crime and you have come to verify whether its true he can claim benefits ?

Gentile

bloomingflower wrote: »

@DarlingBuds.

May I just say that after reading this thread you have shown to be a nice person to even consider giving this member of your family the time of day by being concerned with his welfare etc given his conviction.This must be a truly awful situation for you knowing what he has done. But you are showing dignity which is to be commended.

Sadly, crimes regarding children are now becoming more and more prevalent in our society as the justice system has failed us. I am a parent of two teenage daughters and I can't imagine what the parents must be going through.

I think OP isnt actually concerned with the welfare of his relative, rather the opposite.

miduck

bloomingflower wrote: »

Sadly, crimes regarding children are now becoming more and more prevalent in our society as the justice system has failed us. They need to drastically change they way they do things if we are to live in the kind of society we want to live in.

This is not correct - crimes against children have been common for a long time, longer than any of us have been around, the difference now is that children are listened to and allegations investigated. Whilst the justice system does not do as much as many would like, it does a great deal more than it used to.

bloomingflower

Gentile wrote: »

So your family member committed a crime and you have come to verify whether its true he can claim benefits ?

Gentile wrote: »

I think OP isnt actually concerned with the welfare of his relative, rather the opposite.

Most probably 'concerned with welfare' was my wrong choice of words but nevertheless OP still came on here to ask the question regarding if family member was entitled to claim JSA now that he has a criminal record.

The point is, if that was my family member I wouldn't even bother coming on here to ask the question in the first place! In other words, if OP wasn't truly bothered he would not be asking. The OP is a better man than I am. (Or woman in my case!)

wayne0

miduck wrote: »

Might help if you read the thread before answering, most of your questions have already been answered.

I'm not sure when you were sanctioned, but dismissal caused by your own misconduct attracts a sanction of at least 13 weeks!

I did skim a couple of the posts... (i just saw a quote saying its to do with kids etc... so obviously missed a lot of info)

misconduct on the job is 13 week sanction...
my dismisal was failure to provide list of convictions... - not deemed as misconduct i guess? although it was a fair few years ago. in my late teens.

LittleMax

bloomingflower wrote: »

Most probably 'concerned with welfare' was my wrong choice of words but nevertheless OP still came on here to ask the question regarding if family member was entitled to claim JSA now that he has a criminal record.

The point is, if that was my family member I wouldn't even bother coming on here to ask the question in the first place! In other words, if OP wasn't truly bothered he would not be asking. The OP is a better man than I am. (Or woman in my case!)

From what OP said after, first question didn't appear to be asked out of concern ...

DarlingBuds wrote: »

You see I don't think it's fair he should get anything. Due to type of conviction, he really can't work anywhere, but I don't think us tax payers should also be giving him pocket money....

Dunroamin

kizz79 wrote: »

I dont think anyone decides to take the wrong path,

So all crime is purely accidental?

justlooking2012

bloomingflower wrote: »

The point is, if that was my family member I wouldn't even bother coming on here to ask the question in the first place! In other words, if OP wasn't truly bothered he would not be asking. The OP is a better man than I am. (Or woman in my case!)

I feel the same as you, then again if it was my family member he would have had to go into hiding from the rest of my family.

teajug

miduck wrote: »

He should contact NACRO, they can help him in approaching employers. Also, due to his seeming "unemployability", he may be referred early to the Work Programme - where he may have to undertake work experience in order to fulfil his JSAgreement.

He could be become an MP or maybe a 'Lord' and he would have no problems walking back in to his job even after a prison sentence.