Universal Credit changes...CSA?

labyrinth84

Universal Credit isn't just Income Support though. It's any tax credits, child benefit, housing benefit, JSA etc. So even though some NRP will be paying flat rate because their Universal Credit will be replacing the usual unemployment benefits, others it will be deductable.

To be honest, I would think it very unfair if my partners CM contributions were reduced to flat rate just because of Universal Credit, at the same time as hoping it won't make contributions a hell of a lot more.

As Universal Credit looks to be replacing most benefits, those earning upto 50k will also be in receipt of UCredit, in replacement of their Child Benefit.

When I was looking into it initially, it had a link to find out how the changes would effect me (there has been lots of press saying it will hit working couples the hardest). From what I can see it combines Tax Credits, Child Benefit so presume that too will be deductable now. Housing etc is itemized separately. The site was ridiculous though - it actually compared what you're on 'not working' and what you're on working..there is a difference (but not a difference many would seem justifies getting out of bed for in all weathers) so for all the slagging off of the unemployed, we must remember it is encouraged claiming and ultimately the governments fault, not the claimants!! They can't claim what they are not offered! Yes the attitudes of some and the 'I'm entitled!' every two minutes gets me really mad, but that is individual people- not unemployed on the whole. Some are desperate to work.

More support for the unemployed to seek work is definitely needed, and support while they settle into working life. And instead of screaming at them, scream at the governments!!

shoe*diva79

Child benefit isnt under the UC umbrella.

wayne0

nope.

It will be ONE PAYMENT. for Income Support, CTC, WTC, JSA, ESA and HB.

One payment made up of different elements (like Income support used to be worked - an element for children, and element for... etc)

I honestly feel that there should be a minium payment... the increase to £10 for the Gross Income Scheme seems fairer. *JSA has more desposable income than people let on... they just spend the money wrong.
*my opinion... sorry if not everybody agrees. - i do not drink / smoke ETC - not that all JSA ETC claimants do

However like i said, I personally feel that it is FAIR to CSA calc on my wages.

but then, like many say: it is not only the DUTY of NRP to support the child, but also the PWC. so shouldnt CSA go back to a system much like CS1 where both PWC and NRP income are compared.

PreludeForTimeFeelers

wayne0 wrote: »

I honestly feel that there should be a minium payment... the increase to £10 for the Gross Income Scheme seems fairer. *JSA has more desposable income than people let on... they just spend the money wrong.
*my opinion... sorry if not everybody agrees. - i do not drink / smoke ETC - not that all JSA ETC claimants do

The increase to £10 for NRP's in receipt of prescribed benefits isn't just for those on the gross income scheme, it will be across the board.

wayne0

PreludeForTimeFeelers wrote: »

The increase to £10 for NRP's in receipt of prescribed benefits isn't just for those on the gross income scheme, it will be across the board.

really? - the £10 flat rate is still current, but legislation changes applied were for the GIS only? as far as i read (although, it wouldnt supprise me? - and to be fair, think it would mean a fairer assesment for a lot of PWC whos ex's AVOID payment...

but how would an NRP pay £10 if their income was only £5...
£5 - 100 is flate rate...

PreludeForTimeFeelers

wayne0 wrote: »

really? - the £10 flat rate is still current, but legislation changes applied were for the GIS only? as far as i read (although, it wouldnt supprise me? - and to be fair, think it would mean a fairer assesment for a lot of PWC whos ex's AVOID payment...

but how would an NRP pay £10 if their income was only £5...
£5 - 100 is flate rate...

I'm talking about benefit cases, not cases where the NRP may be earning but on an income between £5 and £100.

The change for benefit cases will come in for current scheme and the 2012 scheme at the same time - it was a legislation change across the board, in the same way that the age limit increasing to 20 affected all cases.

wayne0

PreludeForTimeFeelers wrote: »

I'm talking about benefit cases, not cases where the NRP may be earning but on an income between £5 and £100.

The change for benefit cases will come in for current scheme and the 2012 scheme at the same time - it was a legislation change across the board, in the same way that the age limit increasing to 20 affected all cases.

sorry, i realise the increase in flat rate will be to £10, but it refers to "when the case is on the calculation scheme refered to as "the gross income scheme" - the new scheme...

im pretty sure its still £5 for CS2 cases? - the website still states £5 etc...

as does cm options...

You told us:

Number of nights the parent without the main day-to-day care has the child: less than 52
The parent without the main day-to-day care is receiving benefits.

Based on the information you gave us, the amount of child maintenance payable would be approximately: £5 per week

PreludeForTimeFeelers

wayne0 wrote: »

sorry, i realise the increase in flat rate will be to £10, but it refers to "when the case is on the calculation scheme refered to as "the gross income scheme" - the new scheme...

im pretty sure its still £5 for CS2 cases? - the website still states £5 etc...

as does cm options...

It's currently £5 per week on cs2 and 2012 scheme - when it goes up it will increase on both schemes at the same time.

wayne0

oh right...

thats clearer. i thought that GIS was 10 and CS2 was 5.

when does it go up? when CS2 is closed or?

(seems a little crazy though, that the government come up that a person need 70 quid to live on, then takes a tenner of that away :S)