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Own_My_Own

wayne0 wrote: »

and the idea of council tax: why not get job seekers on the bin rounds... etc... hopefully lower the council tax bill then.

Yes lets make all the bin men unemployed.

Let them be job seekers. We could then ask them to do their old job in return for JSA, Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit, Free school meals for they kids, free prescriptions, dental care, eye tests and glasses.

DUTR

Own_My_Own wrote: »

Yes lets make all the bin men unemployed.

Let them be job seekers. We could then ask them to do their old job in return for JSA, Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit, Free school meals for they kids, free prescriptions, dental care, eye tests and glasses.

Some maybe better off, if that were the status quo, not sure why so many go on about refuse collectors as if they are the lowest of the low. When they don't collect, we soon complain about it.

labyrinth84

galangm8 wrote: »

[QUOTE=wayne0;58371031]but then, i always have worked, even whilst i claimed jsa, i rarely got a payment as my earnings were almost at jsa rates...

the only reason i claimed jsa was because hb/ctb.


.You can't really call that working, a man with 2 households of children, got a babysitter on tap 24/7 (your partner) as she's not allowed to do/earn anything else apart from live off the benefits you claim.

Why not get your partner to look after your new 'families' children and your ex's children and you can work yourself silly day and night to keep them all, pay some decent maintenance and all your babymamas are happy.



and the idea of council tax: why not get job seekers on the bin rounds... etc... hopefully lower the council tax bill then.

Why not 'get' immigrants/asylum seekers/children who's fathers refuse to pay/pay JSA rate CM on the bin rounds, etc...hopefully lower the council tax bill (sarcasm)



I think you, Labrinyth and a few more want to keep your 'trying to be snooty remarks/suggestions' on what people should be made to do, to yourselves.

You have between you 4 or more households/sets of children, who are costing a mint in benefits but you both think as you do a few hours work a week you are not in that tarred category, you both keep harping on about.[/QUOTE]

I work a 40hour week, approximately 4hours an evening on my partners business (unpaid to help build it up) and when possible 2 x 6 hour weekend bar shifts (dependant on whether my child/partners children are at home). I think that makes my average working week 60hours but up to 72hours. So in my opinion I am far from the 'unemployed' category 'putting in a few hours, costing a mint in benefits'....

I've not worked since Christmas Eve...UNPAID leave, to spend with my child. I get 5 weeks a year, not enough. There is no Housing Benefit/other benefits to pay for my stay at home..so I suppose that'll mean extra hours to catch up. Am I complaining?

If you read right back, you'll find that there was quite a few 'snooty' remarks regarding my life. We pay CM and buy ALL clothing for children, along with £90 in fuel a weekend to collect them, we struggle WHILST WORKING, and was told that my partner should get a 'decent' job to fund more to his UNEMPLOYED PWC. Who are the UNEMPLOYED to tell someone what to do with their career and work? If some find themselves to be recruitment experts, then maybe try recruiting themselves to something?

Think about the attitudes of the unemployed to the employed before attempting to pull someone up on their comments and remarks. Everyone deserves a good standard of living, yes! But only at the cost of the working, with no responsibility for themselves?...

labyrinth84

stargazer59 wrote: »

I think you will find the majority goes to Pensioners. But hey it is much better for the government to stir up hate against the unemployed.

I am in the latest group they are targeting, the disabled. I am also a PWC fighting to get the CSA to get their act together.:mad:

If the majority is for pensioners, then yes that is very high. Though, working all their lives, and paying NI for a long time is supposed to cover them for that. My generation pays NI, which is apparently towards NHS and state pension...but we won't get one. God knows what will happen when we're all old and not able to work...!

I find the treatment of disabled people disgusting. They are the most in need, in my opinion yet treated as the last in line for any help. But I do think that system has been abused by so many fraudulent claims that the genuine sufferers will suffer more!

shoe*diva79

labyrinth84 wrote: »

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Why not 'get' immigrants/asylum seekers/children who's fathers refuse to pay/pay JSA rate CM on the bin rounds, etc...hopefully lower the council tax bill (sarcasm)



I think you, Labrinyth and a few more want to keep your 'trying to be snooty remarks/suggestions' on what people should be made to do, to yourselves.

You have between you 4 or more households/sets of children, who are costing a mint in benefits but you both think as you do a few hours work a week you are not in that tarred category, you both keep harping on about.

I work a 40hour week, approximately 4hours an evening on my partners business (unpaid to help build it up) and when possible 2 x 6 hour weekend bar shifts (dependant on whether my child/partners children are at home). I think that makes my average working week 60hours but up to 72hours. So in my opinion I am far from the 'unemployed' category 'putting in a few hours, costing a mint in benefits'....

I've not worked since Christmas Eve...UNPAID leave, to spend with my child. I get 5 weeks a year, not enough. There is no Housing Benefit/other benefits to pay for my stay at home..so I suppose that'll mean extra hours to catch up. Am I complaining?

If you read right back, you'll find that there was quite a few 'snooty' remarks regarding my life. We pay CM and buy ALL clothing for children, along with £90 in fuel a weekend to collect them, we struggle WHILST WORKING, and was told that my partner should get a 'decent' job to fund more to his UNEMPLOYED PWC. Who are the UNEMPLOYED to tell someone what to do with their career and work? If some find themselves to be recruitment experts, then maybe try recruiting themselves to something?

Think about the attitudes of the unemployed to the employed before attempting to pull someone up on their comments and remarks. Everyone deserves a good standard of living, yes! But only at the cost of the working, with no responsibility for themselves?...[/QUOTE]

I think some of the 'snooty' remarks aimed at you have been because of you complaining about how little money your household has due to CM commitments when your household can change that, just choose not to. Your partner could earn extra money in employment that pays. Didn't you say he had earned less then £3000 since June? You can have your ex contribute towards your daughter, but you choose not to.

Horses for courses. Who are YOU to tell someone if they should work or not? Especially seeing as I am sure I saw you post that single parents with children under 5 were not included in your thought process. Yet in your second breath you slate them.

stargazer59

labyrinth84 wrote: »

If the majority is for pensioners, then yes that is very high. Though, working all their lives, and paying NI for a long time is supposed to cover them for that. My generation pays NI, which is apparently towards NHS and state pension...but we won't get one. God knows what will happen when we're all old and not able to work...!

I find the treatment of disabled people disgusting. They are the most in need, in my opinion yet treated as the last in line for any help. But I do think that system has been abused by so many fraudulent claims that the genuine sufferers will suffer more!

But then again why should pensioners be untouchable? Should they have to have vouchers instead of money? Why should pensioners with plenty of money in the bank get Winter Fuel Allowance? Free bus passes?

Why should my son have to go without because he father chooses not to engage with the CSA?

I read your posts and i see that you are taking on the responsibility of earning as your husband is not earning much, surely you accept that if he got a job with a decent wage you would not have to take on so much? After all it is HIS responsibility to pay for his children isn't it? Surely that would make your life easier, leave more money for your child and give you all more time as a family?

labyrinth84

shoe*diva,
I could send my partner off to a standard 9-5, with no prospects, abandon the work he (we both) have put in, let go of his premises and tell all his clients business has closed because for the time being Tesco is paying better.
His career has been going for over 10 years, at one point allowing his ex to play around with anything up to £2000 a week, AFTER DEDUCTIONS -with current climates there has been a dramatic dip, and change of town change of premises and the business is new! Is that a reason to give up? Do we all put down tools because this year has been rubbish?
We could also go down the route that he starts thinking like many on here ''i'm not working a 9-5 for that, I'll claim, then avoid earning my own living AND avoid CM payments''...we both could, but we don't. We are honest people trying to build an honest lives for ourselves.

As for my ex and lack of contributions...when he did contribute, it was with clothing, nappies (when she was of that age) even then there was no battle of ''i want to spend it MY way'' A contribution was welcomed, FOR my daughter. My ex spent 4 years in Uni, and has spent 2 trying to find work in his area. He now has to settle for the low-paid random jobs on offer, and my priority is knowing that when my daughter stays there he has a warm house for her to stay in with food in her stomach. As a single man, he doesn't get any help so what he earns, he earns. Why would I go after him for every penny I can, just because that is the trend? He is in practically the same position we are, if not worse! And this is why I have maintained a fantastically amicable relationship with my daughters father. She is so happy, so stable!!

I do believe those with children under 5 (school age) should be looked after during their time at home! But I also find that those in that situation are the ones who are quick to judge others and tell them where they are failing in life... the unemployed with older kids know they don't have a right to be kept, then demand others give more than what they possibly can as they haven't got ''i'd have to pay childcare'' as something to hide behind!

I just think anyone who for whatever reason does not work, should not pass judgement on others work. That would be like being told by someone who hasn't got kids, how to raise kids! It makes no sense!

labyrinth84

stargazer59 wrote: »

But then again why should pensioners be untouchable? Should they have to have vouchers instead of money? Why should pensioners with plenty of money in the bank get Winter Fuel Allowance? Free bus passes?

Why should my son have to go without because he father chooses not to engage with the CSA?

I read your posts and i see that you are taking on the responsibility of earning as your husband is not earning much, surely you accept that if he got a job with a decent wage you would not have to take on so much? After all it is HIS responsibility to pay for his children isn't it? Surely that would make your life easier, leave more money for your child and give you all more time as a family?

I agree there, there are alot of extras for pensioners who don't really need it.

They'll catch up with him one day, and the arrears will be calculated from the start. Not much help to you now, I'm sure! But he is best not avoiding something that will always catch up with him!

As in my previous post to Shoe*Diva, this isn't a business that he just started last year. Its 10 years in total (not this particular area). Basically he works in entertainment. He isn't a busker or a singer haha. It isn't him dragging a dead horse, the economy has had a massive effect on it..but it's still there! It isn't false dreams either...his area is behind scenes but he is renowned for what he does. The whole scene has taken a beating, but it can be saved! His business (in the long run) will benefit from now having a premises. He's only had it since July, and it needs its customerbase building. We can't give the opportunities it will bring up, for a 9-5 just because it's not pulling in what we want immediately.

Once it happens, its more money at home, more money for his children. If people demand he gives up, a 9-5 will be not much more money for anyone!

stargazer59

labyrinth84 wrote: »

I agree there, there are alot of extras for pensioners who don't really need it.

They'll catch up with him one day, and the arrears will be calculated from the start. Not much help to you now, I'm sure! But he is best not avoiding something that will always catch up with him!

As in my previous post to Shoe*Diva, this isn't a business that he just started last year. Its 10 years in total (not this particular area). Basically he works in entertainment. He isn't a busker or a singer haha. It isn't him dragging a dead horse, the economy has had a massive effect on it..but it's still there! It isn't false dreams either...his area is behind scenes but he is renowned for what he does. The whole scene has taken a beating, but it can be saved! His business (in the long run) will benefit from now having a premises. He's only had it since July, and it needs its customerbase building. We can't give the opportunities it will bring up, for a 9-5 just because it's not pulling in what we want immediately.

Once it happens, its more money at home, more money for his children. If people demand he gives up, a 9-5 will be not much more money for anyone!

Well i doubt i will get much! My son is 14 and they have messed the whole case up, i got 12 months payments up til June then they closed the case as they had made an error, and i had to reapply.

I am all for people building a business for them selves, but his first responsibilty is to his children surely? If the business has been going for 10 years and you are having to run yourself ragged and go without then surely the business is not viable? All the while the children (your daughter as well) are getting older and missing out. I guess what i am saying is we can all dream about making it big, but when you have children you have to do what it takes to put food in their bellys and a roof over their head." Soon" and "one day" do not work when families are involved.

labyrinth84

stargazer59 wrote: »

Well i doubt i will get much! My son is 14 and they have messed the whole case up, i got 12 months payments up til June then they closed the case as they had made an error, and i had to reapply.

I am all for people building a business for them selves, but his first responsibilty is to his children surely? If the business has been going for 10 years and you are having to run yourself ragged and go without then surely the business is not viable? All the while the children (your daughter as well) are getting older and missing out. I guess what i am saying is we can all dream about making it big, but when you have children you have to do what it takes to put food in their bellys and a roof over their head." Soon" and "one day" do not work when families are involved.

Certainly, his children ARE a priority. We gave details immediately when CSA contacted (after a year of paying a fair amount direct) and have not avoided paying- baring in mind also that the calculations are for the year before NOT whilst he's been struggling. We also provide all clothing, uniform, shoes...though we are struggling with that! We also pay £90 a weekend to collect the children. My only gripe has been Tax credits allocated to my daughter being deductable, and the demands for more! I don't begrudge those children a thing

As for the business. he had a custom-built area for his business when he lived with his ex. She was extremely happy with his business when she was living the life of riley- he was pulling in mega money! She told him to leave after being investigated for fraudulently claiming single persons benefits (leaving his area behind, which followed with the area being smashed up incase anyone investigated within the house, causing £££££ damage in equipment), so he has had to get another premises! This takes sacrifice and time, not mentioning building a customer base in a totally different area. I'm not a stupid woman, I wouldn't go without for silly dreams

Our CM payments sent are more than enough for any person per week to look after 2 children, especially when clothing needs are provided too. And most fathers in his position would probably have to cut contact down because of the fuel costs...we make sure this NEVER happens.