Benefits changes from next year

princessdon

dktreesea wrote: »

And what if being "realistic about prospects" means you might have to acknowledge, depending on where you live in the UK (the Welsh valleys come to mind) that you may never work again? That could be a reality for a significant number of people, simply because there isn't enough work to go around.

But people are not prepared to move (even if little ties). My hubby was unemployed for 6 weeks following redundancy -only 2jobs in that time he could realistically apply for as we live in an area with low opportunities. So he went to work in London on a gamble it would work out and short term whilst looking close to home. After 3 mos as a contractor he is now home based and they pay all his expenses if away.


People may need to look further afield and if we (disabled or ill wife whatever wording you use, 3 children can do it, most can).

Gilbert2

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

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Very narrow minded and bigoted view.Just because you stayed at home all other under 25s who are not working should to.
Peoples circumstances are all different, maybe they cant stay at home because their parents want them out and wont allow them to stay anymore.Or maybe they have been brought up by family members like grandparents who have passed on.Or maybe they have come out of prison and are estranged from their families. Lots of reasons why people cant stay with their families until they are 25.
You have to look at the bigger picture, not just because you didnt do something others shouldnt.
What do you say if someone comes in for legal advice, do you say that to them.You shouldnt do XYZ because I didnt?.

No matter what you say, the basic point is that no-one on benefits should be better off than those who work, and that includes a worker who can't afford their own place yet the jobless can because it is paid for them by the state.

Dunroamin

dktreesea wrote: »

And what if being "realistic about prospects" means you might have to acknowledge, depending on where you live in the UK (the Welsh valleys come to mind) that you may never work again? That could be a reality for a significant number of people, simply because there isn't enough work to go around.

But why would someone who genuinely wanted to work stay living somewhere with no jobs?

clemmatis

princessdon wrote: »

But people are not prepared to move (even if little ties).

In general -- and of course the markets for different jobs differ -- they can't move to somewhere with >1 job per job seeker, as there aren't such places. They can move from somewhere with 55 seekers per job (extreme case) to somewhere with <2 per job (extreme case) (the figures include part time jobs).

FBaby

Anyone trully motivated to work would just move to where the jobs are. Isn't this obvious? I've moved so many times in my life for work, when it was a time when my priority was to support myself. The rest of my life (ie. social life) had to follow. Each time I moved to areas I knew no one. Learning to settle in the unknown, make new friends etc... have been unvaluable skills.

Nowadays, with children becoming teens and separated from their dad, my ability to move is more restricted, but then I am quite secure in my employment. Still, if it came to having to move to support us all, then that's what I would do. It would always come first and we would learn to adjust.

osdset

FBaby wrote: »

Anyone trully motivated to work would just move to where the jobs are. Isn't this obvious? I've moved so many times in my life for work, when it was a time when my priority was to support myself. The rest of my life (ie. social life) had to follow. Each time I moved to areas I knew no one. Learning to settle in the unknown, make new friends etc... have been unvaluable skills.

Nowadays, with children becoming teens and separated from their dad, my ability to move is more restricted, but then I am quite secure in my employment. Still, if it came to having to move to support us all, then that's what I would do. It would always come first and we would learn to adjust.

Happens all the time in London, hundreds of thousands have 'up sticks' and moved here from Poland,Lithuania,Bulgaria,Latvia,Albania,Russia,Spain,Italy, etc,etc. There is not much point re-locating when our EU (and non EU) comrades have beaten us to it.

sammyjammy

gay_guy wrote: »

Thank you Jonny6969

It gets me down everytime I apply for Jobs and don't get a single response from them at all, and some people on here giving me a hard time is not helping as well.

Since I last signed on the 21/12/2012, I have applyed for 18 Jobs, There has been no Jobs at all on christmas eve, Christmas day and boxing day ete.

I am trying my best to get into work and I don't need people on here giving me a hard time because I am not work shy, I hate been on the dole

Nobody is giving you a hard time, its called constructive advice. You are completely closed to any suggestions made to you. If you want a job wouldn't you try everything possible? You and your posts give off a very negative attitude, its one rule for you and one for everyone else.

Gentile

Dunroamin wrote: »

But why would someone who genuinely wanted to work stay living somewhere with no jobs?

Simple really, that way they can just do the bare minimum required to look for a job and spend a life on benefits with a council provided house and free cash to spend on Iphones and Sky. It is disgraceful that young guys in their twenties are actually living on benefits and are moaning that there are no jobs.

There is also the prevalent notion that they are better off on benefits than working which is based on anecdotals of their friends and family. Who would want to get laughed at in the pub for working their butt off and still have less cash than someone on benefits ?

Dunroamin

Gentile wrote: »

Simple really, that way they can just do the bare minimum required to look for a job and spend a life on benefits with a council provided house and free cash to spend on Iphones and Sky. It is disgraceful that young guys in their twenties are actually living on benefits and are moaning that there are no jobs.

There is also the prevalent notion that they are better off on benefits than working which is based on anecdotals of their friends and family. Who would want to get laughed at in the pub for working their butt off and still have less cash than someone on benefits ?

I did say someone "genuinely" wanting to work.

Gentile

Dunroamin wrote: »

I did say someone "genuinely" wanting to work.

You did, I apologise. Now are there any such "genuine" work seekers still around ?