Isolation from Europe wouldn't be splendid for the UK?

Moby

The_White_Horse wrote: »

its what the left does. they scream racist, homophobe or whatever they feel like to distract from the fact that they are wrong.

why is it racist to not want a load of thieves and beggars coming over here? the answer is, it isn't. but the lefty has no capacity for sense.

the lefty likes to think we all live in a utopian world where everything is free of charge and everyone should have access to everything, and all people like to help everyone else and is more than willing to give up their salary to help the underprivileged (or lazy). the lefty also thinks that those who work hard and try and do well for their family should pay even more in real terms from their salary to help those who can't be bothered.

the lefty does not appreciate human nature at all.

the lefty does not appreciate that when I go to work, it is to support my family - not a bunch of bulgarian gangsters - so they can live in a better house than I do.

of course, most people don't mind the concept of pooling resources to help themselves ie the nhs (as one day you may need it), the police, roads, rubbish collection, street lights etc. however, most do not want their hard earned money taken from them to help lazy ne'er do wells have music lessons after school - when they can barely afford to pay for their own children to have music lessons.

you can never have a sensible debate with a lefty, as they will always start with the racist labels. look at hamish here. he is clearly wrong, clearly has no answer but can't admit that a load of bulgarian and romanian beggars, thieves and gangsters are of no use to us - so calls people racists instead.

the irony of it all, is that most lefties support some of the most brutal and racist regimes possible such as say, hammas for example. Look at someone like Roger Waters from Pink Floyd as a prime example.

Seems He got under your skin mate judging by your mindless rambling above. Labelling a country's nationals collectively as you have above is racist. You seem to get away with it on here because you post anonymously. All you do day after day is spout hate and invective against elements of society that offend you. It must take up a lot of energy to hate so much!

ILW

Moby wrote: »

Only by setting a better standard by example can we prove ourselves better than them.

I am of the opinion that human rights can be discarded if an individual fails to live by human rules.

chris_m

Moby wrote: »

Labelling a country's nationals collectively as you have above is racist.

Actually, in this instance (Romanian & Bulgarians), it isn't racist.
Xenophobic, definitely. Bigoted, definitely. Racist, no.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Japanese car makers build most cars sold in the EU within EU factories, hence avoiding the tariffs. Some of the high end luxury models are built elsewhere, but for those cars it's less important.

As you should be aware, most cars manufactured within the UK are exported to Europe. Those factories would almost certainly close if we left the EU.

Chinese electronics are competitive, despite the tariffs, because they pay their workers a dollar a day. We cannot hope to compete against low wage economies in mass produced goods, and leaving the EU will not change that. It will however mean that our high wage economy has to pay tariffs on exports of goods to our biggest trading partner, making them less competitive.

The most optimistic scenario I have seen from a relatively neutral source is that leaving the EU would result in a permanent reduction in GDP of around 2 to 3%, and a big increase in unemployment as manufacturers leave. The more pessimistic scenarios are far worse.

I am very curious how this can be so.

You have written dozens maybe even hundreds of times, that simply increasing the population will increase jobs by an equal amount; indeed you have said the more immigration the better because GDP and employment will increase inline with immigration.

So how is it be that something as comparitively trival as leaving the EU can possiblily affect the level of employment?

Surely if the population doesn't change how can employment change?

chris_m

CLAPTON wrote: »

So how is it be that something as comparitively trival as leaving the EU can possiblily affect the level of employment?
Surely if the population doesn't change how can employment change?

If the likes of Nissan, Honda & Toyota were to up sticks and shift production of the cars destined for mainland Europe to mainland Europe, I rather think that would cause quite a change in employment numbers in the UK. The population wouldn't have changed but a lot of jobs would go.

CLAPTON

chris_m wrote: »

If the likes of Nissan, Honda & Toyota were to up sticks and shift production of the cars destined for mainland Europe to mainland Europe, I rather think that would cause quite a change in employment numbers in the UK. The population wouldn't have changed but a lot of jobs would go.

Given your hypothesis and no other change in factors then probably yes. However, other factors may be in play at such a time; e.g. are we net importers or exporters of cars? If europe raised tariffs against the UK we might do the same so generating home production. Lots of maybes.


However that was not really the point of my post.

chris_m

CLAPTON wrote: »

Given your hypothesis and no other change in factors then probably yes. However, other factors may be in play at such a time; e.g. are we net importers or exporters of cars? If europe raised tariffs against the UK we might do the same so generating home production. Lots of maybes.

In May this year (or last year if you read this in about 2 hours time LOL) it wa announced that in the previous quarter we exported cars worth £6.1bn, £561m more than we imported, the first time we've had a trade surplus since 1976.

ValHaller

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

What a stupid snipe that is. If you aim to post intelligently then try to stick to it, rather than playing the man instead of the ball.

For start I did not say that we should not have health and safety regulations. What I said was that some importers to the EU have perceived lower standards than EU countries do, thus they have cheaper production costs. When I talked about unwinding pettifogging EU regulation I meant of course requirements for straight bananas, and poisonous light bulbs, not putting people at risk at work.

Having said that I would rather that the UK's H&S policies were set entirely by our own H&S Executive and not by anyone in Brussels. The H&S E actually talks a lot of sense and rejects much of the lunacy that is imposed by town hall jobsworths and others in the name of health and safety, when it's actually down to insurance and litigation paranoia.

It wasn't a snipe, it was a hard hit. You raised the question of changing H&S in the cause of competitiveness.

I might accept that H&S needs some revision when it comes to labels on steam irons saying 'do not iron clothes while on body'.

What I don't accept is cutting down H&S based on financial considerations of such a thing as leaving the EU. 173 dead people are telling you that H&S needs to be improved. Getting H&S right is a subject which must be dealt with in isolation and not as a deregulation exercise to mitigate the adverse effects of leaving the EU.

PaulF81

Health and safety is a bit of a misnomer. Slips, trips and falls are not part of any sensible H+S system; neither is stating the bleeding obvious.

In fact, Safety systems can increase productivity if used correctly, by minimising downtime.

CLAPTON

PaulF81 wrote: »

Health and safety is a bit of a misnomer. Slips, trips and falls are not part of any sensible H+S system; neither is stating the bleeding obvious.

In fact, Safety systems can increase productivity if used correctly, by minimising downtime.

presumably all businesses seeking profits will already have introduced H&S systems that enhance profits