Isolation from Europe wouldn't be splendid for the UK?

Thrugelmir

chris_m wrote: »

If the likes of Nissan, Honda & Toyota were to up sticks and shift production of the cars destined for mainland Europe to mainland Europe, I rather think that would cause quite a change in employment numbers in the UK.

Not very easy to pick up a factory and move it. The Japanese manufacturers have developed facilities over many years. Not least a highly trained workforce.

ValHaller

PaulF81 wrote: »

Slips, trips and falls are not part of any sensible H+S system; neither is stating the bleeding obvious.

In fact, Safety systems can increase productivity if used correctly, by minimising downtime.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/causinj/kinds-of-accident.htm

About 1.5 million working days lost in self reported non fatal injuries in 2011-12 due to slips trips and falls from height. If that is not included in a sensible H&S system, I might prefer a silly H&S system which does include them.

PaulF81

CLAPTON wrote: »

presumably all businesses seeking profits will already have introduced H&S systems that enhance profits

Ask bp how much deep water horizon cost and you will realise that dysfunctional h+s is very damaging to profits.

PaulF81

ValHaller wrote: »

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/causinj/kinds-of-accident.htm

About 1.5 million working days lost in self reported non fatal injuries in 2011-12 due to slips trips and falls from height. If that is not included in a sensible H&S system, I might prefer a silly H&S system which does include them.

More to do with litigation and the ambulance chasing brigade.

Straining a wrist isn't h+s. preventing the next piper alpha or Tenerife crash is pure h+s.

chris_m

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not very easy to pick up a factory and move it. The Japanese manufacturers have developed facilities over many years. Not least a highly trained workforce.

If it were more cost-effective I have no doubt they would move. Not overnight though, they'd more likely build a new plant elsewhere for the next model to be produced then close the existing one when the current model was no longer required or the new factory was up to speed. Somewhat like Ford are doing with the Transit.

Moby

chris_m wrote: »

Actually, in this instance (Romanian & Bulgarians), it isn't racist.
Xenophobic, definitely. Bigoted, definitely. Racist, no.

Fair enough Bulgarians/Romanians are not a race in themselves but the sense of what I said stands.

Generali

Moby wrote: »

Seems He got under your skin mate judging by your mindless rambling above. Labelling a country's nationals collectively as you have above is racist. You seem to get away with it on here because you post anonymously. All you do day after day is spout hate and invective against elements of society that offend you. It must take up a lot of energy to hate so much!

TWH is a secret leftie. He loves a bit of welfare for his family he just doesn't like it when other people claim.

I guess it's like the homophobe that hates gays because he is afraid of the erection that he gets when he thinks of a little man-on-man action.

leveller2911

Generali wrote: »

I guess it's like the homophobe that hates gays because he is afraid of the erection that he gets when he thinks of a little man-on-man action.

Nicely put with no smut

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

I am very curious how this can be so.

You have written dozens maybe even hundreds of times, that simply increasing the population will increase jobs by an equal amount; indeed you have said the more immigration the better because GDP and employment will increase inline with immigration.

So how is it be that something as comparitively trival as leaving the EU can possiblily affect the level of employment?

Surely if the population doesn't change how can employment change?

Trivial?

Hardly trivial when the hundreds of major companies that base their EU headquarters in the UK pack up and leave because the UK is no longer in the EU. So you would have that reduction in employment AS WELL AS the reduction in employment from falling population as EU residents lose their right to live/work here and leave.

So unemployment of the native born population would almost certainly increase, despite many foreigners leaving.

If we leave the EU our population will probably fall, and if our exit from the EU results in immigration of working age adults falling, then our population of working age adults will certainly fall. And this would be an extremely bad thing.

The ratio of workers to pensioners would worsen rapidly, resulting in significant tax increases for the remaining workers to support the elederly and a larger cost-per-person to maintain national infrastructure, services, defence, etc.

CLAPTON

PaulF81 wrote: »

Ask bp how much deep water horizon cost and you will realise that dysfunctional h+s is very damaging to profits.

indeed so,

I'm just impressed how desk bound civil servants are so much better at generating profits than our capitains of industry.