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Tube Drivers Again.
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A similar thing is happening in the mines here: driverless trucks are coming in.
Now to be fair, that isn't greedy unions so much as an inability to fill posts without paying huge sums of money. Pay of £80,000+ a year wouldn't be unusual for a mine driver.
My point is that you can price yourself out of a job very easily these days.
To drive a truck, where do you apply?
Presumably there must be some risks/poor conditions involved to justify pay of that amount?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/52000-a-year-pay-deal-for-tube-drivers-and-theres-no-ban-on-strikes-6449485.html
And rising well ahead of inflation.
The powers an incredibly strong union have. The pay has doubled in little over ten years.Thinking critically since 1996....0 -
So what are the penalties a driver could suffer if he screwed up (beyond losing his job)?
If there are none then there is no responsibility.
Well he's at the front of the train, there's no impact protection and the train moves forward at a rate of knots...hmmmmm.
If the driver screws up he dies and so do passengers on his train and whatever else he hits.
If he survives then he's sacked and possibly is jailed also.
At least with a guard on train/despatch by platform staff/signallers on overground railway he shares responsibility on the tube he only shares it with signallers.
It's still a pretty responsible job with unsociable hours and fairly grim working conditions (IMHO anyway).Unless specifically stated all posts by me are my own considered opinion.
If you don't like my opinion feel free to respond with your own.0 -
I agree, pretty grim job.
How about paramedics though - still have to drive, have to deal with the public, bad shifts and have peoples lives actually depending on them to do their job.
Yet they get little over £20-25k.Thinking critically since 1996....0 -
Bit of a daft argument.Well he's at the front of the train, there's no impact protection and the train moves forward at a rate of knots...hmmmmm.
If the driver screws up he dies and so do passengers on his train and whatever else he hits.
If he survives then he's sacked and possibly is jailed also.
At least with a guard on train/despatch by platform staff/signallers on overground railway he shares responsibility on the tube he only shares it with signallers.
It's still a pretty responsible job with unsociable hours and fairly grim working conditions (IMHO anyway).
Bit like saying the bloke that cleans the boiler boiler in a large hotel should be paid a fortune because he could burn the place down.0 -
Thanks.
I know I sat opposite a couple on the Virgin NW out of Euston, a couple of years back, who were commuting from outside Milton Keynes. Makes sense now."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Bit of a daft argument.
Bit like saying the bloke that cleans the boiler boiler in a large hotel should be paid a fortune because he could burn the place down.
It's a completely daft argument. Anyone that drives for a living has life and death in their hands from taxi drivers to pizza boys on their little scooters.
It does not warrant a massive paycheck.Thinking critically since 1996....0 -
somethingcorporate wrote: »I said this the last time they threatened to strike and I will say it again.
This is a great thing, the more they disrupt and hold the capital to ransom the quicker their demise will come about.
This is what happens when a union gets too powerful - people sat in cabs pressing stop and go getting paid £200+ a day for it. It's barely even skilled labour and no reason why a computer could not do a better job.
You clearly have no idea how to drive and control a train as well as all the assessments and training that go with it for the lifetime of your career.
If you have driven one i'm sure your views will change somewhat.0 -
It clearly does warrant a large paycheck or they wouldn't currently be getting one I'm afraid.
A lot of the wage rises in recent years have been as a result of selling off favourable working conditions in return for higher pay (as per US unions do).
If it was merely a case if the strongest union gets the highest wages for their staff then the Fire Brigades union members would all be millionaires IMHO.
A taxi driver or moped delivery doesn't have 500-1000 passengers lives in their hands directly, a bad comparison, try comparing it with an airpline pilot...oops!Unless specifically stated all posts by me are my own considered opinion.
If you don't like my opinion feel free to respond with your own.0
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