Renting house- Electric certificate questions

thesaint

daycartes wrote: »

I am rather shocked by this site allowing opinions to be aired over facts and have such reported this thread.
If this site is to be creditable (no pun intended) it should monitor threads so that people can't just say anything without backing it up with facts.
Saint, now that you have dug yourself a hole please jump in it but throw out the spade so that the effort wasn't totally wasted and something may be gained from this, oh and by the way did you check with your mum that you had permission to use the telephone line?
daycartes

daycartes, chill out.:cool:

You've reported the thread for allowing opinion, where are you from, North Korea?
We have a much more relaxed attitude over here, welcome to the West comrade.:beer:

You are new to MSE (and democracy) so take a seat and enjoy the ride.

What hole have I dug? I've been repeatedly pulled up for posting facts that although many have claimed I am wrong, have yet to be shown otherwise.
I challenge you to prove:

a. An electrical safety certificate is needed.
and/or
b. The lack of earthing causes fire.

I believe that these are the only claims made by my goodself on this thread.
Happy hunting.

thesaint

RHemmings wrote: »

The saint has completely missed the point. At least I can see that you have some understanding of what people are saying, as you say "but the electrics need to be safe". That is the crux of the matter which everyone else apart from The saint seems to easily understand.

Dude, why do you keep bringing me into it

Please read the thread from the start, I haven't edited any of my posts.
Long before you came along, I wrote this

I suggest a call to another electrician, as an old rewireable fusebox is perfectly fine if it is safe.

Note, I suggested a call to another electrician and the word 'safe'.
Do you get money for mentioning and attributing comments to me?

Now I shall recap, I advised the OP to call another electrician, and

Simply put, you don't need a certificate.

RHemmings

thesaint wrote: »

Dude, why do you keep bringing me into it

Please read the thread from the start, I haven't edited any of my posts.
Long before you came along, I wrote this



Note, I suggested a call to another electrician and the word 'safe'.
Do you get money for mentioning and attributing comments to me?

Now I shall recap, I advised the OP to call another electrician, and

Simply put, you don't need a certificate.

It seems a bit strange that you would ask why I'm "bringing you into it" when you have been replying to all my posts with "simply put, you don't need a certificate", when I have never said that the OP needed a certificate. I said that they were responsible for ensuring the electrical safety of the property. This was the case in the first post of mine that contained several links, which you followed up with your non-sequitur.

I am confused as to your motives of repeating a point that in no way addressed the issues that I, and others, raised. I am suspicious that it is because you do not want to admit that a landlord is responsible for ensuring electrical safety. Is this the case? If not, why do you insist on posting a single irrelevant point over and over while refusing to address the actual point I, and others, raised. Are you trolling?

Will_it_make_me_rich

I have an Gas/Pac test done every year on the property I rent out.
Interestingly when my property was managed by an agency they said I needed a NIEC report. And this was needed every 5 years.
So I had this report done, not by the agencies contractors though, the kitchen ring main was so dangerous they had to disconnect it while they were doing the report.
Which didn't leave me much choice but to have all the required electrical work done.
This was not cheap! Not bad either for a house that was previously owned by an electrician.

BTman

Will_it_make_me_rich wrote: »

I have an Gas/Pac test done every year on the property I rent out.
Interestingly when my property was managed by an agency they said I needed a NIEC report. And this was needed every 5 years.
So I had this report done, not by the agencies contractors though, the kitchen ring main was so dangerous they had to disconnect it while they were doing the report.
Which didn't leave me much choice but to have all the required electrical work done.
This was not cheap! Not bad either for a house that was previously owned by an electrician.

I take it you've never bought a car owned by a mechanic then..;)

stphnstevey

Will_it_make_me_rich wrote: »

I have an Gas/Pac test done every year on the property I rent out.
Interestingly when my property was managed by an agency they said I needed a NIEC report. And this was needed every 5 years.
So I had this report done, not by the agencies contractors though, the kitchen ring main was so dangerous they had to disconnect it while they were doing the report.
Which didn't leave me much choice but to have all the required electrical work done.
This was not cheap! Not bad either for a house that was previously owned by an electrician.

How much did it cost for what work?

TJ27

red40 wrote: »

A suitable electrical certificate every five years is only mandatory for a House in Multiple Occupation (excluding certain converted blocks of flats, as defined by the Housing Act 2004).

A certificate isn't required for any other rented property......

I'm not sure that this is correct either. I don't know of any legislation which specifically requires an electical certificate, whether the house is an HMO or not. I hope you can prove me wrong though red40. It would be useful for me to know!

However, the Housing Act Section 235 part 2 says that councils can pretty much ask for whatever documents they please. (I forget the exact wording) I think you would need good reason to ask for certain documents, but requiring sight of a Periodic Inspection Report would seem to be fairly easy to justify if you ask me. Especially if you have a fuse box rather than a consumer unit.

So in summary, I don't think you are required to produce a certificate unless you are specifically asked to do so. We ask for these certificates routinely as part of the HMO licensing process.

red40

No problem TJ, you will find it in this SI

Statutory Instrument 372, Management of Houses in Multiple Occupation Regulations 2006, other than sec257 converted blocks of flats

If you don’t want to read the 2006 Statutory Instrument 372, the quote is:-

Duty of manager to supply and maintain gas and electricity
6. —(1) The manager must supply to the local housing authority within 7 days of receiving a request in writing from that authority the latest gas appliance test certificate it has received in relation to the testing of any gas appliance at the HMO by a recognised engineer.

(2) In paragraph (1), "recognised engineer" means an engineer recognised by the Council of Registered Gas Installers as being competent to undertake such testing.

(3) The manager must—

(a) ensure that every fixed electrical installation is inspected and tested at intervals not exceeding five years by a person qualified to undertake such inspection and testing;

(b) obtain a certificate from the person conducting that test, specifying the results of the test; and

(c) supply that certificate to the local housing authority within 7 days of receiving a request in writing for it from that authority.

real1314

stphnstevey wrote: »

A tenant could sue a landlord if they are electrocuted or hurt through unsafe electrics in a rented property, particularly if they don't have an RCD fitted (which old fuse boxes don't tend too)

If the wiring is unsafe, then it doesn't matter if it's a fuse box or a rcd/mcb consumer unit. If a tenant is electrocuted, they won't be "particularly" more able to sue for a fuse box rather than a rcd/mcb as both are legal.

If a landlord relies on mcb/rcd to ensure safety rather than ensuring that the wiring is actuall safe, then they are more likely to be sued than a landlrd with safe wiring and a fusebox

prudryden

Seems like I missed an interesting thread. Oh well!