Renting house- Electric certificate questions

thesaint

RHemmings wrote: »

This is plain ridiculous. It has been pointed out by me and others this is not the point that is being made. I don't know whether you're pretending to be a moron, or whether you actually are a moron, but this conversation is going nowhere.
when I posted(first reply to this thread) there was no point being made.
I am a moron pretending to be a moron, two negatives make a positive.
I'll sum up, using as few polysyllable words as I can in case that helps. Though I doubt it.
Go ahead, I bet you use more than one syllable, I shall highlight them in green for you to note.
No one claimed that you needed the certificate. People, including myself, pointed out that while you don't need an electrical safety certificate, you do need to make sure that the electrics are safe.
Yes, it was a point well made before you felt the need to quote me, I already said(Also before you came along) that I never said not to get the work done, but a certificate is not necessary.
No matter how many times this is pointed out to you, you just respond with "you don't need a certificate". Since no-one has claimed that you do, You forgot the 'Simply put' that preceeds 'You don't need a cerificate', I shall put it at the bottom of my post as you still don't understand. The OP was under the impression that one was a necessity until I pointed it out.
I am puzzled as to what your strategy is. Why do you wish to ignore the actual point of conversation, that the landlord is responsible for making sure that the electrics in a rented house are safe? Why do you persist in posting a non-sequitur? blah,blah*let me check my dictionary*blah What's in it for you? Hopefully fac73 with a pair of warm hands and a (long) ruler

Simply put, you don't need a certificate.

peter999

Old Electrics don't mean they are unsafe.

Gas installers will inspect boiler & say something minor "doesn't mean current standards (NCS -not current standard)" , doesn't mean it's unsafe, just that it was installed 10 years ago when standards were different.

The fact that the electrics are inspected, don't meet current standards & cannot have new standard certificate issued, does not mean they are unsafe.

peter999

real1314

peter999 wrote: »

Old Electrics don't mean they are unsafe.

Gas installers will inspect boiler & say "it doesn't mean current standards (NCS -not current standard)" , doesn't mean it's unsafe, just that it was installed 10 years ago when standards were different.

The fact that the electrics are inspected, don't meet current standards & cannot have new standard certificate issued, does not mean they are unsafe.

peter999

And there's the real point. Not only do you not need a certificate, but fuse boxes are not illegal, nor considered unsafe. If they were considered unsafe, labour would have introduced new regs years ago, or even within the part P regs requiring a MCB/RCD based consumer unit when houses are sold.

MCB/RCDs are SAFER than fuses, but there's no requirement to have a fuse box replaced. The landlord has to take *reasonable" steps to make sure the property is safe, not every conceivable step.

As for the price, it all depends on where you are and what is being fitted.

Best thing to do is get 3 quotes based on the documents supplied.
Personally I'd have asked for a free estimate rather than a "fail" certificate.

daycartes

I am rather shocked by this site allowing opinions to be aired over facts and have such reported this thread.
If this site is to be creditable (no pun intended) it should monitor threads so that people can't just say anything without backing it up with facts.
Saint, now that you have dug yourself a hole please jump in it but throw out the spade so that the effort wasn't totally wasted and something may be gained from this, oh and by the way did you check with your mum that you had permission to use the telephone line?
daycartes

red40

A suitable electrical certificate every five years is only mandatory for a House in Multiple Occupation (excluding certain converted blocks of flats, as defined by the Housing Act 2004).

A certificate isn't required for any other rented property, however a landlord has a duty of care to his/her tenants. How the landlord goes about this is entirely up to them, one would hope that a periodic inspection would be carried out.

stphnstevey

Easy children - your venom spits are not helping in answering the original posters question

I entirely agree with the post immediately above.

There seems to be an arguement about two seperate points

a) There is NO (current) legal requirement to have an electrical safety inspection (fullstop)

b) Landlords have a duty of care to their tenants - how this is interpreted is the GREY area. Should the unfortunate happen, a landlord could be sued and then it would be upto a court to decide. Therefore, it could be said that an intellegent landlord should take reasonable steps to ensure this didn't happen. What those steps are would be debatable (see 'discussions' above)

On top of this, the electrical requirements are constantly changing. A house built in 1960's is very unlikely to be built to the same electrical standards as houses today. An electrician is obliged to review a house's eletrical safety based on current standards. If a house electrics has not been updated to every current electrical regulation(probably 70% of houses), then there will be findings.

Some electric modifications make sense for a landlord:
- Earthing (or bonding)
- RCD's
- New fuse box
- Rewire of old or damaged wiring

as in the long run:
- likely to be needed for HIPS
- help prevent damage to property (fire)
- keep tenants safe (they tend to pay the rent better then!)

FluffityBunny

£500 seems a reasonable price to me, I paid that for a new fuse box and rewiring of the kitchen

peter999

daycartes wrote: »

I am rather shocked by this site allowing opinions to be aired over facts and have such reported this thread.
If this site is to be creditable (no pun intended) it should monitor threads so that people can't just say anything without backing it up with facts.
Saint, now that you have dug yourself a hole please jump in it but throw out the spade so that the effort wasn't totally wasted and something may be gained from this, oh and by the way did you check with your mum that you had permission to use the telephone line?
daycartes

What ??
And you write this nonsense !!

Who is going to monitor & censor the posts ??

Maybe MSE should employ an expert for each profession/board or may 2,3,4,5 experts, as 1 expert will never know enough & opinions between experts may differ. :rotfl:

peter999

Ps: If you dont like the free advice, go pay for professional advice !!

RHemmings

thesaint wrote: »

Simply put, you don't need a certificate.

Simply put, you do not have the intellectual capacity to understand what this discussion is about.

peter999

The saint has given the best explanation.

Electrical Certificate is not legal requirement (as it is for Gas appliances), but the electrics need to be safe. If the electrics aren't safe, landlord could be for high jump.

Interpretations by every man & their dog are irrelevant.

peter999