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art_student

I have just read through this very interesting thread. Curious George, I would suggest that you explain to your daugher that as sausages, burgers, nuggets etc. are also made of oinky pigs and fluffy chickens etc. she can be a vegetarian if that's what she wants but that she'll have to give up sausages, nuggets etc (maybe a veggie alternative eg vegetable burgers - very nice but not the same taste as meat). If not then I would say it is more fussiness than anything.
If she does want to be a proper veggie I suggest you give it a go. I am not a veggie myself but I have found that there are alot of lovely veggie products out there!

sticher

Would like to know why do some vegetarian people refer to meat as 'dead animal'. I know that is factually correct, but why not use its correct name even lamb, or whatever. We do not refer to other things like this - diamonds for example!

Also, hasn't science now discovered that plants do actually feel pain? (couldn't find a link at the moment).

I personally enjoy meat, however, I also love veggies, nuts, etc and could easily be a vegetarian. I do think though that nature made us to eat meat and who are we to decide we know better? Just a thought.

the_devil_made_me_do_it

Tasty Tasy meat... says who??

I can't stand it, so that's one of the reasons I'm a veggie as well as the insane love of animals of course, but initally it was the taste that put me off.

the_devil_made_me_do_it

p.s I'm far from pasty or thin in fact I need to go on a diet lol.

sticher

sleepymy wrote: »

Not sure I can speak for others but I see meat as part of a dead animal, same way I would see a human brain as part of a dead person.

Yes meat is part of a dead animal, but it is usually referred to as meat.

With respect that 'discovery' was a load of b*llox and was proven to be to. If you're going to debate vegetarianism/veganism it would be better if you based your points on proven science. Most of the veg*ns I know are intelligent people and don't appreciate people throwing nonsense like this at them.

How rude I was merely offering another perspecitve.

However, with RESPECT you cannot PROVE that plants do not feel pain! It used to be believed that babies did not feel pain. Just because we don't understand something does not mean it is not so.

Even if it were true it still wouldn't make slaughtering animals, to satisfy the human palate, right in the eyes of many people

Do you think it preferable to hunt animals then? Maybe maim or injure a few and leave them to a lingering death.

hayleyc_2

I've been Veggie since I was about 11, and although my parents weren't overjoyed about the idea, they supported the decision. My Mum already didn't eat much meat because she doesn't like the taste, so it probably wasn't as difficult for her as some parents would have found it.

After being veggie for 16 years it's easy to forget that there are still people who find the idea of being vegetarian really scary and alien! My 1st baby is due in 5 months and is going to be raised as a vegetarian until he/she is old enough to understand where meat comes from. If he/she decides to try meat at that age (I'd say around 6 or 7) then I will not stand in their way as long as I make sure the meat is ethically produced and that they are eating healthily. At the end of the day you have to raise your children to have their own opinions, and can't really complain if they disagree with yours!

I think in the original poster's situation I would probably cook a veggie alternative for the meals she currently refuses to eat. In time, as her views become clearer and she learns more, she will either decide she wants to stop eating any meat at all, or will decide she'd rather keep eating meat. For example, My sister and I started off cutting out meat and then moved on to cutting out fish. Then as we learned more things made with meat derivatives, we cut those out too. You don't necessarily have to become a complete vegetarian overnight.

At the end of the day it will be her choice, and she'll be pleased in the future that you let her make up her own mind.

Hayley

sleepymy

My apologies I didn't mean it to sound rude but the report was b*llox, you can be offended on behalf of the people who concocted it, that's your prerogative.

http://tabish.freeshell.org/animals/plantpain.html

I meant slaughtering as in killing, I didn't say anything about hunting. Check out post 53 if you haven't read the whole thread yet. Perhaps if you looked into veg*nism you'd feel less need to try and get me to justify my lifestyle. My signature says it all.

Edited to say; hanging upside down and choking to death in your own blood would be counted as a slow lingering death to some. The stun gun doesn't always work.

vansboy

sticher wrote: »

How rude I was merely offering another perspecitve.

Do you think it preferable to hunt animals then? Maybe maim or injure a few and leave them to a lingering death.

I would imagine that if people did have to hunt & or murder animals themselves, many would more than welcome an alternative & easier food supply.

Of course, there would be plenty of unfortunate humans, who would also get some kind of thrill & enjoyment from doing so.

VB

welf_man

sticher wrote: »

Would like to know why do some vegetarian people refer to meat as 'dead animal'.

A lot of the time it's verbal shorthand - sometimes I say "What's the vegetarian option?", sometimes "Do you have anything that's not dead?" depending on the context. It's also easier to say that you don't eat dead things than get into question and answer sessions about what you do and don't eat.

I do think though that nature made us to eat meat and who are we to decide we know better? Just a thought.

Humans have grinding teeth, not slicing ones, and a long gut designed to digest fibre. This implies that we initially evolved as plant-eaters and have become omnivores at a later stage. The long gut can cause problems for meat-eaters as meat can stay in it for long enough that it starts to rot (which is probably why toilets tend to smell more after meat-eaters have used them - sorry, but it's something I've noticed being a vegetarian with a meat-eating ex-partner and a daughter who has recently given up meat!).

Mel.