meat is tasty tasty murder

vansboy

sleepymy wrote: »

Yeah but what does the term 'green wellie activist' stand for? I've never heard it before.

it's a phrase I've apparently invented!!

VB

Bunny

I have a friend that has been vegetarian from a young age, never changed her mind.
my cousin started at around 10 saying that she didn't want to kill animals just so she could eat them, I told her pick a flower, kill a flower, but I'm just mean, she had cake with gelatin, realised what she was missing, then had a bacon butty again and has never looked back.
I toyed with the idea, but I love spaghetti bolognese too much and quorn just wasn't the same, too bitty, could've just been the way my mum made it, but it put me off the stuff

Emmzi

Curious_George wrote: »

and finally.....Emmzi,
I knew i would weedle out one of you!! sorry hun but that *IS* the way it is, animals are mostly bred for meat and it doesnt matter how much you disagree with it you can not call me saying that inaccurate!
1, i have tried to be factual not graphic, she doesnt need to know the ins and outs of the meat industry but she is fully aware of what her dinner is made out of.
2, i would not have the first idea what to do with a chick pea
3, we are also not making a big deal, this is not a nightly debate around the dinner table, its just happened a few times now and the most recent being last night... so i thought id ask.
and lastly im not "talking opening a packet or tin and a 2 minute zap in the microwave" im talking about preparing real food for my children
im fully aware that its "not difficult" to cook that way, but that is hardly what we are talking about,
if everything you eat has to come out of a can and then into the microwave then its no wonder you were so easily offended!!

Please don't patronise me by calling me 'hun'. You do not know me, yet you are happy to group me as 'one of you'. What really winds me up is people who assume they know about me from one aspect of my life.

I disagree with the opinion that meat is required to make you strong. Not scientifically proven. But go ahead - I'm not a vegetarian on moral or ethical grounds. I'm not an animal lover. I just choose not to.

Best of luck with your child. But no more contributions from me - I know where they aren't wanted.

sleepymy

Bunny wrote: »

she had cake with gelatin, realised what she was missing,

Tasty....

Gelatin is protein obtained by boiling skin, tendons, ligaments, and/or bones with water.

http://www.askcarla.com/answers.asp?QuestionandanswerID=375

Quackers

sleepymy wrote: »

That's true, I couldn't eat anything that tastes remotely like meat :lipsrseal

Nor me.

I wanted to become a veggie at the age of about 12. I was told that when I was old enough and ugly enough to cook my own food I could then eat what I wanted. Until then I'd eat what I was given or starve.

I finally became a veggie at 15 with a lot of gentle persuasion/3yrs of nagging. It took a long time to persuade my Nan I wasn't going to die if I stopped eating he meat and potato pies.

When I look back I understand why they did that but it wasn't fun at the time!

My children eat meat because my husband does- they can choose to be veggie in the future if they wish.

I understand where you are coming from. If I was a meat eater & the rest of the family were I would be inclined to see a 6yr olds decision to become a veggie as an absolute nightmare.

I agree with what Catowen said earlier.

vansboy

Sleepymy - I couldn't quite work out the reason why a cake would make anyone rediscover they should eat dead animals, either.

& you're accurate description should, I'd have thought, make them even more likely to NOT want to eat it, or anything else for a while!!

Plus of course, if we all read the labels on 'food', we'd see sooooooo many instances of animal product is used, when alternatives are readily available.

But then again, plenty of people prefer artificial sweeteners, 'cos they're better for them than sugar!!!!

I'd better shut up now, else I'll start proclaiming the GENUINE health benefits of Coca Cola!!

That DOES get people going!!!!

VB

impy78

vansboy wrote: »

I'd better shut up now, else I'll start proclaiming the GENUINE health benefits of Coca Cola!!

VB

Do you work for McDonalds by any chance?

vansboy

impy78 wrote: »

Do you work for McDonalds by any chance?

Truthfully say I've NEVER had a MacDonalds - veggi burger or otherwise!! Wpouldn't patronise that company, anyway, due to the way the handled the McLibel court case!!

Have had, maybe 6 or 7 'meals' in Burger King, as they do have Vegeterian Society approval, for their non-animal products. Plus the stores (I won't say restaurant) don't have quite such an unpleasent aroma, as MacDonalds have. Not being funny, about that one, either, they DO smell totally different. No doubt done on purpose, 'cos some marketing bod thinks it's the right thing to do.

Bit like letting us smell the fressh bread & see the fruit n veg, as we enter a superstore. Makes us feel good about them!!

VB

JillD_2

wow what a great debate!

I am veggie, but was not at all offened by your original post Curious George. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and theor own personal choice. My choice is not to eat meat. I am a total hypocrite and eat fish though. I get a lot of stick for this but as I said I admit to being a hypocrite.

It sounds like your DD genuinely does hate the thought of eating dead animal but at 7 can probably easily forget this when it comes to chicken nuggets, sausages, etc and of course she won't realise all the things that have animal products like cakes, yoghurts, sweets, some margarine, cheese, puddings, mousses, jelly etc.

Perhaps you could compromise and give her some vegetarian food on the nights that you have obvious meat but let her have the shepherds pie the nfollowing night (for example). When you point out that the pie has meat in it too does she still want it ? I can see how frustrating it will be for you though cooking a couple of meals instead of just one and essenatially letting her to an extent dictate what she eats when the rest of your family have to eat whats put in front of them. You could of course do things like lasagne and veggie lasagne, spag bol with mince and spag bol with veg, you could freeze her portions so you only actually cook the veggie thing once, but when you cook the meaty equivalent for everyone else, reheat a veggie portion for her.

I really do think though you have to give her a chance to make this decision for herself. If you lay down the law you may just end up with a bigger battle on your hands, and even if she is only 7, she does have a right to say "I dont want to eat dead animals".

Good luck, I hope you and she can reach a solution that is good for both of you
Jill

ailuro2

My dd has often mentioned about not eating meat-but she isn't yet vegetarian,though it's not because I worry she'd be a pasty faced veggie(:rolleyes: very stereotypical description) it is because she will not eat the alternatives.

I do eat meat- not beef, as I don't like the taste, but as long as it looks nothing like the original animal I'll eat it- I don't do 'bones'. I fully realise I'm one of these folk who doesn't like to think where the meat came from- in my defence I do try to buy meat from our local butcher where I like to think the animal was treated better when alive than the cheapest mass produced stuff from the supermarket. If I liked a wider range of foods then I suspect I'd be vegetarian, and probably a bit thinner and healthier too.;)

To the OP's original question- how to explain to our kids about killing animals-what I said to my dd at about the same age was--

well, without meat eaters there would not be the same numbers of cows and sheep in the fields, farmers don't keep them as pets, they are only alive because we will eat them. If we buy from people who kept the animals in good conditions, then is it a bit kinder?
People have eaten animals as a source of protein to make their muscles strong for a long long time now. We do have alternatives though, now we know more about our bodies than in the old days, so there is an alternative ,but only some people choose to be vegetarian. If you want to try some new foods then we can do it for you- lentils,beans, nuts,quorn and vegetables are some of the things you need to be healthy as a vegetarian.
So far she has tried a few, but now it is her choice to eat meat, we are not imposing it on her- and I will allow her to go veggie if and when she can eat a good balanced diet that is meat free.:D