The Polls - Labour Lead At 14 - Is It The Economy?

DecentLivingWage

BertieUK wrote: »

Well to be truthful I think that Cameron and co have not left many stones unturned since they took office, and as you say it is going to take years to resolve many of the issues, but by trying to do far too much in five short years is Political suicide in my view.

Its like 'too many cooks spoil the broth' they have 'rushed in where angels fear to tread' which to me is totally irresponsible.

Yes, thats true! They were unrealistically confident = banking on events that didn't happen to save them (BSkyB, murdoch sleazy 'help' ,private sector jobs t5hat never came up because no one has confidence in Osborne.) An auserity plasn needs 2 decades to work but the predictions are that Cameron's going out because his mandate was flaky - banks will not lend under his wobbly grip! Plus a series of disastrous PR blunders - I see its foxhunting today! 76% against!

BertieUK

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Yes, thats true! They were unrealistically confident = banking on events that didn't happen to save them (BSkyB, murdoch sleazy 'help' ,private sector jobs t5hat never came up because no one has confidence in Osborne.) An auserity plasn needs 2 decades to work but the predictions are that Cameron's going out because his mandate was flaky - banks will not lend under his wobbly grip! Plus a series of disastrous PR blunders - I see its foxhunting today! 76% against!

All the good that they may claim to have achieved, on one hand, they have destroyed in the other.

They had to make U-turns with policies that were ill though out and would never have worked in a hundred years.

To be blunt here you have ill advised, inexperienced, extremely well educated politicians that have not got a clue where they are going, well they will find out when it is too late.

Cameron will probably be joining the hunt for refreshments in his local pub, better not leave his daughter there this time. Cant even be trusted for that either.

I noticed on the published photograph of the Cabinet Ministers and Her Majesty where Cameron could not keep his mouth closed long enough for the camera man to take their picture.

CLAPTON

I prefer the politics of opposition and seeing different ideas fight for space rather than the cosy inbread politics of many other countries.

Different parties, different people, different conflicting ideas rather than resuffling the same coalitions as in many countries.

I just love the unforeseen and unforeseeable 'events dear boy' that bring down thre mighty and throw a little light into dark places.

Let's celebrate the British way of running a country; we are actually pretty rich and it is till a really great place to live.

Many lament having to choose between various lots of incompetent parties; better that than no choice at all.

BertieUK

CLAPTON wrote: »

I prefer the politics of opposition and seeing different ideas fight for space rather than the cosy inbread politics of many other countries.

Different parties, different people, different conflicting ideas rather than resuffling the same coalitions as in many countries.

I just love the unforeseen and unforeseeable 'events dear boy' that bring down thre mighty and throw a little light into dark places.

Let's celebrate the British way of running a country; we are actually pretty rich and it is till a really great place to live.

Many lament having to choose between various lots of incompetent parties; better that than no choice at all.

I agree that competition is certainy good in any type of business/politics whereby only the best ideas were put forward and implemented, if only, we all say but we are nearing the time when commonn sense must prevail.

This is my point, that these ideas take time to germinate and the General Public do not seem to have any patience left to let this happen, even though seeing all the hardships that other countries, are going through daily, not many miles away from our own shores, we should consider ourselves very fortunate indeed to live in a country that is run by the Devil we know, rather than the one that we dont. We are going to have to wake up and work together because as you say we are actually pretty rich and it is till a really great place to live.

Lets welcome in 2013 with a greater belief and attitude and get our country back on its feet and lets be proud to be British again. Sorry about the sermon.

DecentLivingWage

Obviously not just the economy car crash though - YouGov have some interesting opinions from voters on the Cons ex chief whip -Voters havent changed their opinion that Mitchell was right to resign ( 49% to 26%.) Just 29% of people think he should be given an alternative top job, 40% think he shouldnt. Even if his story is proven to be right, lots of voters think that disrespect should be a sacking issue anyway

BertieUK

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Obviously not just the economy car crash though - YouGov have some interesting opinions from voters on the Cons ex chief whip -Voters havent changed their opinion that Mitchell was right to resign ( 49% to 26%.) Just 29% of people think he should be given an alternative top job, 40% think he shouldnt. Even if his story is proven to be right, lots of voters think that disrespect should be a sacking issue anyway

In all honesty the position of Chief Whip is one of trying to keep order in the ranks, and that can if not controlled, extend into the street and I think that it was unfortunate for Mitchell that he literally 'shot himself in the foot' by getting involved in a heated discussion whatever was said.

Cameron I thought should have shown to the country, that he was in charge and sacked him, because the buck stops with the PM or did he not have the bottle? or was this not the policy to adopt?

Seems a waste of a good talented man, Mitchell that is.

Thrugelmir

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Even if his story is proven to be right, lots of voters think that disrespect should be a sacking issue anyway

The wider concern is that we appear to have a "political" influenced police force. That happily lie. If this is the case then public confidence will evaporate overnight. As who else has been stitched up? Their lives ruined.

Labour appear to have very quiet on the topic. Whereas to have him sacked they went viral.

grizzly1911

BertieUK wrote: »

Seems a waste of a good talented man, Mitchell that is.

I don't really know the what he stands for or whether he was any good or not.

In brief pieces I have see of him both before , during and post this affair my initial reaction is that we will not be any worse position without him.

Generali

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Obviously not just the economy car crash though - YouGov have some interesting opinions from voters on the Cons ex chief whip -Voters havent changed their opinion that Mitchell was right to resign ( 49% to 26%.) Just 29% of people think he should be given an alternative top job, 40% think he shouldnt. Even if his story is proven to be right, lots of voters think that disrespect should be a sacking issue anyway

It's no great surprise. On the face of it Mitchell was sacked because he was vilified by the left wing press who unwittingly took the word of 2 liars.

MacMickster

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The wider concern is that we appear to have a "political" influenced police force. That happily lie. If this is the case then public confidence will evaporate overnight. As who else has been stitched up? Their lives ruined.

Labour appear to have very quiet on the topic. Whereas to have him sacked they went viral.

I'm not so sure that that there are many police officers with left-wing views, and I seriously doubt that this was the motivation in the Mitchell case. If anything, this is probably an extreme example which indicates a level of arrogance and corruption that exists within the police force generally. For some in a position of authority, whether in government, the police force or elsewhere in society, the old adage that power corrupts is undeniable.

Whilst I'm sure that those officers who are willing to collude in falsifying evidence are in a very small minority, the fact that they have been so publicly shown to exist at all is likely to make the job much harder for the vast majority of good officers serving throughout the country. Coming on top of the Hillsborough revelations, juries are , for some time, going to be less likely to accept the uncorroborated evidence of a police officer as being incontrovertibly true.