The Polls - Labour Lead At 14 - Is It The Economy?

N1AK

BertieUK wrote: »

Are you saying that the contents of this report are incorrect?

I think that dwelling on someone elses incompetency is not a good reflection on present policies if they are not working. Lead by example surely.

No; I'm saying that you're hamfistedly trying to blame the current government for the mistakes of a few civil servants because you don't care about truth; you just want to attack the current government.

For all Labour's vacant nonsense about the current plan not working they haven't made a compelling case for why and as they've reliably opposed everything the government has done to decrease spending they've given no indication that they have a viable alternative.

It's easy to sit in opposition and suggest pie in the sky spending is the solution when you know it won't be tried so you can't be proven wrong.

BertieUK

N1AK wrote: »

It's easy to sit in opposition and suggest pie in the sky spending is the solution when you know it won't be tried so you can't be proven wrong.

When the Conservative Government were in power they left us in a mess, and Labour did not recover from that.

I can only say that when the Conservatives were in power, I always found it hard to survive with their policies.

I think that the Conservative Government can only put the blame on others because of their hamfisted ways of getting policies working are pie in the sky.

And as for Labours answers to the problem they are no better because they have not got a clue either.

Its about time we all went for a complete change because we will end up in a worse mess than we are now. Fed up of you all bickering our lives away.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

So after 14 pages of bickering I imagine most of the thread has been.....

- The current Tory govt is spectacularly incompetent and failing miserably.

- Labour would be as bad or worse.

- Duhhhhh, its dem immigrants stealing our jobs innit, vote ukip

Did I leave anything out or is that about it?

BertieUK

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So after 14 pages of bickering I imagine most of the thread has been.....

- The current Tory govt is spectacularly incompetent and failing miserably.

- Labour would be as bad or worse.

- Duhhhhh, its dem immigrants stealing our jobs innit, vote ukip

Did I leave anything out or is that about it?

I think that we should just go out for a week of Highland Ceilidh's and start again. The survivors that is.

Just thinking about the 18 years or so that the Conservatives were in Government, why did they suddenly fail so dramatically?

I would have thought that they should have been in full control and had everthing sown up.

Thrugelmir

BertieUK wrote: »

Just thinking about the 18 years or so that the Conservatives were in Government, why did they suddenly fail so dramatically?

People change. The world changes. New ideas are required.

Labour of 2012 are not the same party as in the days of Beveridge and the creation of the welfare state. Despite their pretences.

As you say. Fresh air is required. The British constitution which has evolved over the centuries. Needs to do so again.

A._Badger

Thrugelmir wrote: »

People change. The world changes. New ideas are required.

Labour of 2012 are not the same party as in the days of Beveridge and the creation of the welfare state. Despite their pretences.
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Possibly not. But they are pretty much the same party as in 1997 and I would rather walk over hot coals than endure that mess of lies, incompetence and corruption again.

BertieUK

A._Badger wrote: »

Possibly not. But they are pretty much the same party as in 1997 and I would rather walk over hot coals than endure that mess of lies, incompetence and corruption again.

I appretiate your feelings and what you are eluding too but I, at this moment unless the 'green shoots' start to materialise within the next two years, could not put any trust in either of the two main parties.

All they do is bring each other down at each and every opportunity, enough is enough.

A._Badger

BertieUK wrote: »

I appretiate your feelings and what you are eluding too but I, at this moment unless the 'green shoots' start to materialise within the next two years, could not put any trust in either of the two main parties.

All they do is bring each other down at each and every opportunity, enough is enough.

I don't disagree with you. And I don't vote for either of them. What astonishes me is the number of people who do.

How may times will people allow themselves to be lied to?

Thrugelmir

BertieUK wrote: »

at this moment unless the 'green shoots' start to materialise within the next two years, could not put any trust in either of the two main parties.

Then you are under estimating the difficulties and challenges that lie ahead. Going to take years to resolve many of the issues.

Unless you'd prefer the approach of say Eire. Where they put the knife to many things. Including public sector pay and pensions, along with increasing taxes significantly. Ending up with basically a nationalised banking industry and a moribound housing sector.

BertieUK

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Then you are under estimating the difficulties and challenges that lie ahead. Going to take years to resolve many of the issues.

Unless you'd prefer the approach of say Eire. Where they put the knife to many things. Including public sector pay and pensions, along with increasing taxes significantly. Ending up with basically a nationalised banking industry and a moribound housing sector.

Well to be truthful I think that Cameron and co have not left many stones unturned since they took office, and as you say it is going to take years to resolve many of the issues, but by trying to do far too much in five short years is Political suicide in my view.

Its like 'too many cooks spoil the broth' they have 'rushed in where angels fear to tread' which to me is totally irresponsible.