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Osborne Loses It - Our Triple A Rating And Its Future
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A trade union is its members not some abstract body they pay fees to. If 50% of your mebership did resign as you claim, why did they not just vote for one of their number to stand for the trade union committee? Then they could have influenced its policies to be the moderate beast most of you apparently wanted?
Great. So one firm has one representative inside a giant trade union packed with activists. That's going to make a great difference.
Trade unions are as much a part of the problem in the UK as our sclerotic political parties.0 -
Great. So one firm has one representative inside a giant trade union packed with activists. That's going to make a great difference.
Trade unions are as much a part of the problem in the UK as our sclerotic political parties.
It's worse than that unite are a cancer to the UK economy, heads in the sand backed by just one type of worker the public sector worker instead of bringing them into the 21st century unions wrongly inform them of the glory days and we see pointless strikes as this gov won't cave in (hooorah).
All public sector workers should cancel their subscriptions an instant pay rise for them all.0 -
It's worse than that unite are a cancer to the UK economy, heads in the sand backed by just one type of worker the public sector worker instead of bringing them into the 21st century unions wrongly inform them of the glory days and we see pointless strikes as this gov won't cave in (hooorah).
All public sector workers should cancel their subscriptions an instant pay rise for them all.
If it were not for past union activity I doubt we would have the sort of statutory employment protection we all enjoy.
Not in a union BTW."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »If it were not for past union activity I doubt we would have the sort of statutory employment protection we all enjoy.
Not in a union BTW.
Equally, if it were not for militant union activity we might still have a British owned car industry.
There is simply no point trying to whitewash over the incalculable damage done to the UK by militant trade unionism during the 1960s and 70s.0 -
Great. So one firm has one representative inside a giant trade union packed with activists. That's going to make a great difference.
Trade unions are as much a part of the problem in the UK as our sclerotic political parties.
Well I suppose if 50% of them opposed the extreme policies they would have had enough members to replace the company's union branch committtee and start influencing the policies of the wider union.
I agree that TUs can be part of the problem and in those days were definitely part of the problem. But most of the problems were caused by the willingness of people to join the union but not to take part in its decision making processes. As with the wider electorate, apathy is the enemy of democracy, and such apathy led to the extremist cliques that ran some unions in those days which were so easyto caricature.
Thrugemil has triggered my memory of the buffoon in question who led that union - Clive Jenkins(?) who was worse than Mr Scargill.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »If it were not for past union activity I doubt we would have the sort of statutory employment protection we all enjoy.
Not in a union BTW.
This is definitely true, none of the rights that workers take for granted today (even after the reversionary changes since the 1980s) would probably been given to workers without the formation of unions.
What happened was unions went too far in that era and needed to be controlled to some extent.
But there is nothing wrong with the concept of union undertaking collective bargaining on behalf of their members or representing members to ensure fairness in grievances and disciplinary matters. In some EU countries employers welcome responsible trade unions.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
This is definitely true, none of the rights that workers take for granted today (even after the reversionary changes since the 1980s) would probably been given to workers without the formation of unions.
What happened was unions went too far in that era and needed to be controlled to some extent.
But there is nothing wrong with the concept of union undertaking collective bargaining on behalf of their members or representing members to ensure fairness in grievances and disciplinary matters. In some EU countries employers welcome responsible trade unions.
Not to mention closed shops too where employers couldn't/wouldn't employ you if you weren't a member of a union and would terminate your employment if you left it - outlawed by the Conservatives (due to EU law?)"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Depends what your situation is. My Union defends me against an oppressive employer who wants to screw more out of me for no extra reward. Militant trade unionism was a reaction to shocking industrial relations and class ridden politics. Post war Germany did it differently. People have a human right to be protected from exploitation and decent standards of working conditions. Look at the way the Miners were treated by the private employers.Great. So one firm has one representative inside a giant trade union packed with activists. That's going to make a great difference.
Trade unions are as much a part of the problem in the UK as our sclerotic political parties.
The bottom line is an employer wants to make a profit for him/herself or shareholders. They do this by squeezing the workers 'costs' in any way they can. A worker has to respond in any way they can to protect their own interests. Its the eternal struggle...some countries try to manage it in a civilised way!0 -
In some EU countries employers welcome responsible trade unions.
That's usually in Northern Europe and Scandinavia, where trade unions actually help companies gain efficiencies. In the UK unions are divorced from the financial realities of this planet and are rampantly anti-reform and seem to think they are constantly entitled to more money.0 -
Great. So one firm has one representative inside a giant trade union packed with activists. That's going to make a great difference.
Trade unions are as much a part of the problem in the UK as our sclerotic political parties.
Are activists people who take an interest?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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