Is there a place for private parking enforcement?

edward123

Guys_Dad wrote: »

Take the following hypothetical situation.

You live in a flat and the block has parking areas in front of each flat, with each flat having its own space facing out on to the public highway. Geographically, it is not possible to have barriers erected.

A parking post, lockable of course.

You arrive home at night and find a car parked in your space. What solution is one that you would deem to be fair? Should the flat owner just grin and bear it?

Would a parking post prevent this in the first place?

What legal action can they take. Just who is the scammer?

Parking post?

PS Taffy beat me to it. Any way, I'm in good company.

Guys_Dad

taffy056 wrote: »

Do you think issuing pieces of paper stuck on a windscreen is legal ? The scammer would be the company issuing fake invoices pretending to be some kind of authority

In answer to your question invest in a parking post, you can get them for about £40 upwards. Its not rocket science and there is not one answer fit all situation. Your scenario doesn't happen very often and people who do this kind of thing are not being very neighbourly and it would probably be best top speak to them.

1 Each parking area has room for 4 cars and 1 post would not work.
2 Not neighbour's car. Owner of car unknown.
3 Sounds like you support Free parking anywhere, anytime.

Before anyone accuses me of being a Perky-clone, I am not at all. I got clamped earlier this year by National Clamps when I was going upstairs to the 3rd floor of a friend's flat to get a visitor's permit and by the time I walked back down, Jed Clampit had done his worst. Had to pay to avoid a tow.

I am simply saying that there are often 2 sides to consider.

Guys_Dad

edward123 wrote: »

A parking post, lockable of course.



Would a parking post prevent this in the first place?



Parking post?

1 solution fits all !!!!!

Not always and don't you think your solution is so obvious that no one had thought of it, if it had been possible?

edward123

Guys_Dad wrote: »

1 Each parking area has room for 4 cars and 1 post would not work.

In your hypothetical scenario you presented a problem for one space. One post for that space would suffice. 4 spaces? Each owner/tenant could then have their own parking post?

2 Not neighbour's car. Owner of car unknown.

Parking post would not allow car known or unkown into space?

3 Sounds like you support Free parking anywhere, anytime.

I didnt read that myself. How do you reckon he thinks that?

Before anyone accuses me of being a Perky-clone, I am not at all. I got clamped earlier this year by National Clamps when I was going upstairs to the 3rd floor of a friend's flat to get a visitor's permit and by the time I walked back down, Jed Clampit had done his worst. Had to pay to avoid a tow.

I am simply saying that there are often 2 sides to consider.

But a PPC's side is a scam and an extortion.

edward123

Guys_Dad wrote: »

1 solution fits all !!!!!

Not always and don't you think your solution is so obvious that no one had thought of it, if it had been possible?

But you have yet to show how it could not be possible!!!!!

ManxRed

I stopped reading this thread a short way into the very first post, after the classic sentences involving 'I too was a victim...' and 'anarchy ensuing'.

If I had a pound every time someone came on here and Pepipoo spouting this tripe I would have £351 now.

Mind you, most of those came from the same person. Under lots of different usernames.

Enjoy the rest of the thread.

fisherjim

bargepole wrote: »

Near me, there are 4 supermarkets.

Morrisons, near the town centre, suffers from non-customers using it to park and walk into town. They used to have an exit barrier where an employee would check the shopping receipts. Stupidly, they got rid of this and brought in ECP. Result: many genuine shoppers get ticketed for trivial reasons, and the managers spend a lot of time sorting out complaints.

Sainsbury's, in the main shopping complex, have an entry barrier which spits out a plastic card, you get that validated at the checkout and use it to pass the exit barrier. The disabled bays say "Please keep these bays free for disabled users", wording which they changed after I wrote to JS HQ pointing out they couldn't use the words "fine" or "penalty". It works well.

Asda, out of town next to the motorway, use TCP and have someone in a high-viz jacket patrolling the car park. Lots of fake tickets issued, lots of complaints - no reason for anyone to park there unless they were shopping at Asda.

Tesco, near the next motorway junction, have no PPCs and no threatening signs. Everyone gets on with it, there are plenty of disabled bays which never seem to be full, sure the odd chav may park there when popping in for 40 B&H and a scratchcard, but so what.

So to answer the original question - no.

Bargepole, I recognise this town it's where I live too!
I parked in our Main shopping centre multi-story car park, on the end of a row, apparently this was not a parking space just a void area. When I got back to the car there was a very polite notice on the car stating that I had parked in an area that was not a parking space and would I please park in a proper bay on future visits. No threats, no quoting of rules or fake PCN's etc. I have no problems with this and what a refreshing change from all the other scamming B's you see reported on here.

s555

ManxRed wrote: »

I stopped reading this thread a short way into the very first post, after the classic sentences involving 'I too was a victim...' and 'anarchy ensuing'.

If I had a pound every time someone came on here and Pepipoo spouting this tripe I would have £351 now.

Mind you, most of those came from the same person. Under lots of different usernames.

Enjoy the rest of the thread.

Actually, no. I just think we need something in place so that people who use the car park for genuine reasons do not suffer those that think they can do whatever they can get away with.

Of course, there are car parks out there with hundreds of empty spaces and some cowboys charging 150 quid for staying there too long. But, in my particular case, the car park is a nightmare and I WANT someone to be enforcing it. But with a fair charge and a fair approach to applying it. And if enforce means LAW so that clever dicks with google cannot squirm out of a blatant case of ignoring the FAIR rules, so be it.

The system now seems unfair to everyone. Well done for fighting it. But be careful what you wish for.

s555

Guys_Dad wrote: »

1 Each parking area has room for 4 cars and 1 post would not work.
2 Not neighbour's car. Owner of car unknown.
3 Sounds like you support Free parking anywhere, anytime.

Before anyone accuses me of being a Perky-clone, I am not at all. I got clamped earlier this year by National Clamps when I was going upstairs to the 3rd floor of a friend's flat to get a visitor's permit and by the time I walked back down, Jed Clampit had done his worst. Had to pay to avoid a tow.

I am simply saying that there are often 2 sides to consider.

Why should he have to buy a parking post? It's his land and people parking on it without authority are in the wrong. If there was a penalty for this, they likely wouldn't do it.
I don't have to buy a front door lock in order for someone stealing from my house to be breaking the law. I buy a front door lock as a condition of my insurance.

ManxRed

So, if the landowner really does value the non-abuse of the car park, why not either (1) install a barrier? Or (2) pay the PPC for the service of managing the car park, and set the parking charges fairly at amounts representative of actual losses?

Option 2 comes at a cost to the car park owner, but hey, remember they actually place a value in keeping miscreants out. So they won't mind, eh?

So why so they perpetuate a business model that involves the car park owner getting the service free of charge, and the PPC making all their profits from the drivers, a lot of them breaking no rules at all. Why let the car park owner who is the one who values the spaces let innocent drivers fund this?

You're talking out of your *rse, while you're quite happy to call us clever dicks with Google.

If only you had two brain cells of your own to rub together you might be able to see the true picture of what is going on here, and not simply paint us as the villains, and the ones who could potentially cause 'ensuing anarchy' by simply pointing out to the public how they are being conned by scammers with no moral code and no qualms whatsoever of targeting as many people as they can, including disabled and elderly drivers by lying and mis-stating people's true legal position.

Idiot. Or Troll. Its one of those two, anyway.