Is there a place for private parking enforcement?

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s555 wrote: »

Having a penalty of £1.50 isn't going to dissuade anybody.

Civil law doesn't permit of penalties, only compensation.

£40 dropping to £20 is enough to discourage abuse

£40 is 20 to 40 times the actual loss, given the parking charge is usually around £1 to £2.

s555

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

Civil law doesn't permit of penalties, only compensation.



£40 is 20 to 40 times the actual loss, given the parking charge is usually around £1 to £2.

Yes. Rather my point. We need the legal ability to apply punitive penalties to dissuade people deciding it is their god given right to park on someone else's land for however long they like without any fear of repercussions. But, that has to be balanced with a maximum penalty that is persuasive but fair.

PS. I am assuming that once I have driven through your fence, I can leave my car parked in your garden for a week? Are you near an airport, that would be handy. I'll pay you a tenner for the fence, in court only of course.

spacey2012

The place to charge for parking is either on the way in or the way out.
A simple tariff, give your ticket to the man in the hut on the barrier, if you have overstayed the free period he charges you what the tariff says there and then.
Anything else is just a money making scam.

edward123

spacey2012 wrote: »

The place to charge for parking is either on the way in or the way out.
A simple tariff, give your ticket to the man in the hut on the barrier, if you have overstayed the free period he charges you what the tariff says there and then.
Anything else is just a money making scam.

Exactly. No need for "penalties," no need for changes to Civil Law(won't happen), the landowner is being reasonable and the little man in his(hopefully heated in the winter)hut earning an honest wage.

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s555 wrote: »

We need the legal ability to apply punitive penalties

"We need" :huh:

I take it you own/work for a PPC?

Driver8

s555 wrote: »

Yes. Rather my point. We need the legal ability to apply punitive penalties to dissuade people deciding it is their god given right to park on someone else's land for however long they like without any fear of repercussions. But, that has to be balanced with a maximum penalty that is persuasive but fair.

PS. I am assuming that once I have driven through your fence, I can leave my car parked in your garden for a week? Are you near an airport, that would be handy. I'll pay you a tenner for the fence, in court only of course.

Trust me, you are not going to get any "legal ability" whatsoever.

Name me one other PRIVATE company that can charge you punitive penalties?

You can't can you? Thought not.

Precedent as already been set in law and a few poxy PPC's are not going to overturn that in my lifetime.

No private person can penalise another private person with a penalty whatsoever.

trisontana

Except that the vast majority of "someone's else's land" is actually land such as supermarket car parks and retail parks where the public is invited to spend their money and are then "penalised" for breaking the PPC's silly rules. These include staying over the allocated time, having a wheel touch a white-line or parking in the "wrong" sort of bay.

Guys_Dad

Take the following hypothetical situation.

You live in a flat and the block has parking areas in front of each flat, with each flat having its own space facing out on to the public highway. Geographically, it is not possible to have barriers erected.

You arrive home at night and find a car parked in your space. What solution is one that you would deem to be fair? Should the flat owner just grin and bear it? What legal action can they take. Just who is the scammer?

taffy056

Guys_Dad wrote: »

Take the following hypothetical situation.

You live in a flat and the block has parking areas in front of each flat, with each flat having its own space facing out on to the public highway. Geographically, it is not possible to have barriers erected.

You arrive home at night and find a car parked in your space. What solution is one that you would deem to be fair? Should the flat owner just grin and bear it? What legal action can they take. Just who is the scammer?

Do you think issuing pieces of paper stuck on a windscreen is legal ? The scammer would be the company issuing fake invoices pretending to be some kind of authority

In answer to your question invest in a parking post, you can get them for about £40 upwards. Its not rocket science and there is not one answer fit all situation. Your scenario doesn't happen very often and people who do this kind of thing are not being very neighbourly and it would probably be best top speak to them.

s555

So, one at a time..

I do not work for a parking company. I just feel there is a need there for a "nicer" and fairer version of the private schemes in place.

I find people who believe they are entitled to do whatever they like just because they feel they can get away with it irritating. Morally, it is wrong to disregard completely a fair request by the land owner not to park for longer than a period set by them. It is also morally wrong for them to sting you for £150 if you disobey. The rational answer is in the middle somewhere.

Putting a gate on the entrance. Good idea. But what happens when someone works out that they won't bother suing those people who tell the parking attendant to F off and drive through the barrier without paying. Is it then ok for all of us to do this?

Disabled bays on private property? Nope. Not enforceable. Maybe we can all start parking in them now.

Got some friends round? They can park on the neighbour's drive. It's not as if they can do anything about it, is it?

Often, the landowner is not the supermarket or the shop, but the landlord of those properties. We should not penalise shoppers, but how do we tell them apart from the people that have used the facilities and then walked to the closest train station. A time limit maybe?

Punitive charges. That's a tricky one. I was of course suggesting new laws to allow private companies to fairly dish out effectively parking tickets that are enforceable, rather than saying it was already being done... I'll have to think about that one..