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Bole Blasts Nimby Boomers with Brickbats

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  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    Because not everybody has the common sense that you have and you expect them to have?
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • ukcarper
    ukcarper Posts: 17,337 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    Don't forget this vitriol is coming from someone with a 5 bed house and a acre in the Cotswolds which he is hoping to get planning permission on I wish I was so hard done by.
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    Because not everybody has the common sense that you have and you expect them to have?

    true. either that or the gubbermint are in the pay of the large developers.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    PaulF81 wrote: »
    true. either that or the gubbermint are in the pay of the large developers.

    Shirley Knott.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • ruggedtoast
    ruggedtoast Posts: 9,819 Forumite
    The NIMBY's mouthpiece, the Daily Mail rounds on Nick Boles!

    It was only a matter of time before the NIMBY mouthpiece of Little England rounded on hero housing minister Nick Boles. Using a mixture of moral outrage, xenophobia and just plain misinformation, the Daily Mail has fired the opening shot in the war against common sense and decency.

    Now is the time to take sides. Think hard before YOU choose.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241219/Migrants-fuel-need-Green-Belt-homes-Ministers-candid-admission-housing-crisis.html
    Nick Boles said migrants accounted for almost half of the housing demand, and his figures suggest 100,000 new homes a year will be needed to accommodate them. The minister added: ‘We can’t go on like this.’ Earlier this week, Mr Boles alarmed conservationists by saying up to two million acres of green fields may have to be concreted over to deal with the housing shortage...

    ...‘We can’t go on like this. We need to have less immigration and more house-building and we might then have a civilised country.’

    They have made Nick Boles sound like Joseph Goerring in this piece. I don't believe a word of it.
  • Zero_Sum
    Zero_Sum Posts: 1,567 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    More houses should be built in SE England. It's where the jobs are and where people want to live. It's near impossible to build houses in that part of the country at present.

    The Government have this one absolutely spot on. You can't just not build houses for people to live in. It's a ludicrous idea.

    You can build a house for £50-£100,000 easily plus land. If the price of building land falls, which is what will happen if more is made available by changing planning rules, then more houses can be built at a price people can afford.

    Here's a novel idea, why not encourage employers to move north.

    Populations are currently decreasing, there's plenty of empty housing & land is much cheaper
  • Wookster
    Wookster Posts: 3,795 Forumite
    The Daily Mail is the most disgusting paper in the UK.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    Wookster wrote: »
    The Daily Mail is the most disgusting paper in the UK.

    Even worse than this?

    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • ash28
    ash28 Posts: 1,789 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee! Debt-free and Proud!
    edited 1 December 2012 at 7:48PM
    ukcarper wrote: »
    It's not as simply as picking a green field site and building houses. Where I am the Doctors and Hospitals are already overstretched because a recent influx of immigrants and it is now proposed to build 3000 houses on a brown field site (an ideal site) but there are no planes to improve the infrastructure.

    Where we used to live in the south east - there was a site earmarked for housing development - it's an old landfill site. Recovering green belt land they call it.

    The local council and some of the local residents fought tooth and and nail to stop the development (including the local MP Theresa May).

    The site was for 500 houses.

    Planning permission was finally granted this year.

    The main objections by the residents (they didn't object to the housing as such) - was the remediation of the landfill - would the local residents be showered with toxic dust as the landfill had asbestos, chemical and hospital waste. It was a site that was poorly recorded - the developer said no hospital or chemical was in the site - but a number of local people used to deliver the waste to the site and said there was both. The developer reckons not......the site was still bubbling 3 or 4 years ago.

    The council - the density of the housing was too high - a number of houses were without any gardens space at all and had a small terrace instead and had a shared green space. Some of the houses overlooked each other (and were close to each other) - the developer got round the being overlooked issue by changing the design of some of the houses so they didn't have any windows on the back wall. They reduced the number of houses by 24.

    The design of the houses wasn't in keeping with the surrounding area - the plan was for mainly 2.5 and 3 storey houses in a area of 2 storey semis and detached houses with drives and reasonable gardens back and front - the developer said the design of existing houses was unimaginative.

    The eastern edge of the development is on a flood plain - that's fine said the developer - it's a 1 in 100 year event and even if it did flood it wouldn't cause other areas to flood, but in my experience if you put down lots of concrete the water has to go somewhere. And any one who has lived there a reasonable length of time knows that it does flood on reasonably regular basis (especially in the last few years) - it was flooded last week - but not all of it.

    The local primary school will be expanded to take the extra pupils and most of the new people will take their children in a car - realistically it's probably just a bit too far to walk - and no further infrastructure improvements will be made - the access to the A329M and the M4 is restricted by a narrow bridge over the River Lodden and traffic backs up every weekday morning as it is.

    But in the long run I guess the estimated additional 300 to 400 cars on the roads in the area in the morning won't make a huge difference to the existing congestion.

    Would I buy a house there having lived in the area 25 years? - not a chance.

    Unfortunately most of the immediate area is on a flood plain proper and couldn't be built on - so most of the available land has been built on already and most of the new developments have been back garden developments, so by their nature are very small. But someone who didn't know the area would see lots and lots of open countryside.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    edited 1 December 2012 at 7:39PM
    ash28 wrote: »

    But in the long run I guess the estimated additional 300 to 400 cars on the roads in the area in the morning won't make a huge difference to the existing congestion.

    We have anumber of speculative applications around our area and when viewing the applications the traffic impact is always the one that makes me smile.

    Experts (for the developer) are wheeled in totaht prepare areport that suggest the vat majority of movements will be by foot, <1m; by bike <3m; public transport, that runs every 30mins at best to limited locations and some by rail or although the closest station , >2m, is only a spur line so not really that useful.

    Cars are always way down the list.

    If you look around most existing properties have at least 2 cars on the drive if not more. It is semi rural so the vast majority of journeys are by necessity by car. In the time we have been here traffic congestion has increased markedly, to the point of gridlock, at "rush hours" with little improvement on the road network.

    The reports always state that impact will be low. The plots never have sufficient car parking space either on them or around them.

    Of course limiting car use is a nice aspiration but it just isn't reality.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
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