Taking the micky

TrickyWicky

sniggings wrote: »

min wage is enough for the employee to be breathing, to expect the level of commitment of an Alan Sugar Apprentice is taking the micky.

As sad as it is, employers will always want the maximum possible from their staff for the least pay.

morganedge

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Depends, if you're also getting rent and council tax benefit it may not. I was on a NMW job years ago and was worse off than many claimants including a mate of mine who has sky - I couldn't even afford a freeview box

yep - I know lots of people who generally think that work is only 'worth it' if you're earning well above minimum wage.

Daedalus

It is the same for 95% of interviews.

'Why did you apply for this job?'

I know it is because you want the money.
You know it is because you want the money.
I want you to convince me that you're not just after the money.

You can get a lot of students for NMW, many of whom have the work ethic, intellect that if circumstances were different would demand a much higher salary. There are people who would love a job, would give it 100% and be twice as good as someone who just wants to do the bare minimum to get paid.

morganedge

sniggings wrote: »

sorry but I've been in staples and trust me when I say they must have lied on their application :rotfl:

min wage is enough for the employee to be breathing, to expect the level of commitment of an Alan Sugar Apprentice is taking the micky.

Problem is that the whole recruitment process is just a test of who can bull$hit the best. Who can feign the most interest.
It's just a game. It's sad, but true.

It's like at job interviews.
People always advise to ask about who a companies suppliers are, questions about their business plan etc etc.
It makes me cringe.
If you are applying for a job cleaning the office, do you really give a flying !!!! about the companies market share

j.e.j.

morganedge wrote: »

Problem is that the whole recruitment process is just a test of who can bull$hit the best. Who can feign the most interest.
It's just a game. It's sad, but true.

That's true, but then what happens when the employee can't keep the act up anymore..

sniggings

exactly! those last two posts are spot on!

sorry but I'm not lieing for any job and when the job is min wage for 30 hours and means I will still need to be on housing benefit...go !!!! your targets and expect me to care.

getmore4less

sniggings wrote: »

I get all that but doesn't that level of commitment warrant more than £6.19?

Many jobs in their basic form are worth less than £6.19 but we have a NMW so you have to bring somthing more to the table.

Basic customer service skill seem appropriate for retail

perhaps you should look at cleaning :rotfl:

TrickyWicky

morganedge wrote: »

yep - I know lots of people who generally think that work is only 'worth it' if you're earning well above minimum wage.

Thats because to them it is. I'm out of work and don't even get any benefits. The most income I've had this year was a £600 odd refund from the tax man.

I'd do a NMW job if I had to but there are none out there that I can walk into. Most (as the op has shown) want everything for nothing including a ton of experience, qualifictions, heck I even saw a cleaning job a year ago that wanted security clearance AND a degree :eek: - for a cleaning job :mad: (and it was part time hours too).

Daedalus wrote: »

It is the same for 95% of interviews.

'Why did you apply for this job?'

I know it is because you want the money.
You know it is because you want the money.
I want you to convince me that you're not just after the money.

You can get a lot of students for NMW, many of whom have the work ethic, intellect that if circumstances were different would demand a much higher salary. There are people who would love a job, would give it 100% and be twice as good as someone who just wants to do the bare minimum to get paid.

I actually went to an interview once and actually told them I wanted the job for the money. I said to them, I'll be totally honest with you, the money is good, I want the money and I can do the job I wasn't proud of myself but I figured that being honest and pleading with them for the job would keep me in their memory longer than the other candidates and it worked cos I got the job :rotfl: :cool:

As you say though, there are a lot of students out there who will work for peanuts doing everything and anything just to afford their next p*ssup at the weekends sh@g party. Rent, educational materials and other living costs are not a priority to them as most have bank of mum and dad to pay for that so anything they earn is just spending money.

morganedge wrote: »

Problem is that the whole recruitment process is just a test of who can bull$hit the best. Who can feign the most interest.

So true its bonkers but yes you're right. It's whoever has the best sounding BS who gets the job. Employers know it, we know it and they know we know it but we're all expected to dance around the bl**dy bush pretending it's all about caring for the companys objectives etc. The moment you get the job and try putting an idea to a manager they'll tell you to mind your own business, get out of the way and get back to it - so whats the point?

sniggings

getmore4less wrote: »

Many jobs in their basic form are worth less than £6.19 but we have a NMW so you have to bring somthing more to the table.

Basic customer service skill seem appropriate for retail

perhaps you should look at cleaning :rotfl:

I look at all jobs and even cleaning jobs want you to have a car and 2 years experience!

sorry but your a fool if you think any job warrants less than £6.19 an hour, as the tax payer is already picking up billions in wages that employers are pocketing as profit instead of wages.

Ash1982

two options. Play the game and get the job or don't and do without the money.

by the way £6.19 an hour with a 30 hour week puts you in the top 12% on the global rich list.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/