Housing Benefit under occupancy Help

lighting_up_the_chalice

Morlock wrote: »

Statistics that summarise the Chartered Institute of Housing's UK Housing Review, perhaps you could post some better, related statistics.

Oh, I can do MUCH better. Live, up to the minute statistics from around the country, divided into property types and even individual addresses, broken down on a weekly basis and freely available for you to masticate over.

Morlock wrote: »

Ah, yes, the anecdotal statistic, that is far more reliable evidence. Don't insult my intelligence, post some real statistics that prove demand for two-bedroom properties is dominated by 'first time mums', then I might give your statement some credibility.

Oh no. It must be all those extended 15 person households crying out for massive overcrowding then.

Morlock

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

Oh, I can do MUCH better. Live, up to the minute statistics from around the country, divided into property types and even individual addresses, broken down on a weekly basis and freely available for you to masticate over.

Feel free, post them up.

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

Oh no. It must be all those extended 15 person households crying out for massive overcrowding then.

Still not a shred of evidence to back up your claim, just more emotive comments.

princessdon

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

But it won,t make a massive difference as the distribution between bands would remain much the same. If, for the sake of simplicity, they budget for 20% of houses being in each A - E band, then the cheapest 20% will still be in the lowest band, even if house values in the area have rocketed.

I guess you are right and it is something I have not given much thought to or have insight.

I do know that a part of me feels guilty I have benefited from rising house prices whilst others have not. It doesn't sit easy with me as a parent knowing my children's generation will be the ones to pay.

Never black and white I know. But surely owners like myself whose properties have risen dramatically are in some form accountable?

That said I don't think I should be bedroom tax, so what is the half way house? Or if I sell will I pay it back anway?

Not my strongest point debating housing and political correctness that is for sure.

nannytone_2

princessdon wrote: »

Individual statmements do make overall sadly.

2 bed's where I am from are in vast demand. My Grandma waited 6 years for a 2 bed in an assisted programme. 1 Bed's in her assisted living are frequent. Neither your experience nor my Gran's may be the norm as it is overall that this affects and with varying degrees in Housing you can't assume 1 size fits all.

She pays £24 per week aditional for her 2 bed over a 1 bed and readily does so.

even the old folks bungalows ( there are hundreds of thelll over 60% of the population is over pension age) are all 2 bedroom.

but your gran wanted a 2 bed by choice and was prepared to pau for that choice.

for thos of us that dont get a choice and cant afford the extra ... its a bitter oill

Heycock

Morlock. There are those who observe for themselves and live a life in the world. And there are those who endlessly quote other peoples statistics.
Everyone else here has identified a personal interest in this problem . Even where i disagree, i see where they're coming from and respect their argument. Where are YOU coming from? What is YOUR interest in this? Your agenda is clear but is your obvious desire for nationalisation of the housing stock and central allocation of housing coming from a totalitarian left or right? I've never been able to tell the difference truth be told. Nor could my ancestors in Catalonia when the nationalists shot them in public and the communists shot them in secret. Over the top? you bet. Like your inane chatterings.

lighting_up_the_chalice

Morlock wrote: »

Feel free, post them up.



Still not a shred of evidence to back up your claim, just more emotive comments.

CBL is now widely used in most local authority areas as a means to allocate Social Housing. One if its advantages is that they publish a complete record of successful lets showing the exact number of "bidders" for each individual property. It's all out there, Morlock. Fill yer boots!

mazza111

I agree with you completely Nannytone. It's great if there is choice, where there's no choice it certainly is a bitter pill.

I'm in a town like you where there's not much demand for 2 bedroom properties, it's all 3 bedroom places people want. Haven't seen the need for 1 bedroom places until now, and now see there is a shortage of them.

Again it seems the government can't or won't apply common sense to these benefits.

lizzie157

There's a facebook campaign against this bedroom tax if anyone's interested. Sorry if it's already been posted.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/antibedroomtax

Also on Twitter.

Morlock

Heycock wrote: »

Morlock. There are those who observe for themselves and live a life in the world. And there are those who endlessly quote other peoples statistics.

The statistics that I have posted in this thread that relate to bedroom tax are directly from the DWP's impact assessments. Whilst others may 'live a life in the world', it is these statistics which MPs and the government use to shape policies. And not inane, anecdotal opinions on an internet forum.

Morlock

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

CBL is now widely used in most local authority areas as a means to allocate Social Housing. One if its advantages is that they publish a complete record of successful lets showing the exact number of "bidders" for each individual property. It's all out there, Morlock. Fill yer boots!

It is not up to me to prove that your statements are accurate, that is up to you. Stating 'The facts are out there, find them yourself', does not prove anything. If anything, it indicates that you cannot back up your own claim.