Housing Benefit under occupancy Help

mazza111

Irrelevant on the why's. But let's pick holes in people's posts.

My son is having to sleep on dd's sofa tonight as she's had another fall and may need help through the night. Something that I couldn't do due to my own health problems. But it sure makes me feel guilty that I'm asking a 16 yr old to do it for me. Whereas if she had an extra bed or I had kept my extra bed and not done what I believe in, I could have been there for her. Thankfully I'm just up the road so if he needs help he can call. Which again wouldn't be viable given other people's suggestions that I move from the area when the time comes for me to downsize again.

I do hope the government looks at the downsides of these plans, especially where the sick and disabled are concerned. But then they've not cared so far, don't see them changing now.

I feel what you see on this forum is the I can, why can't you approach. I'm really happy that some people can share a room with their partners/husbands. It's not always viable, especially if there's noisy equipment involved. Or a restless sleeper. Or... the list could be endless. My mum and dad spend their last 5 years together in separate rooms, so there was a chance that at least one of them had a sleep. And you wouldn't have found a more loving relationship, he brought her breakfast in bed every morning for 50 years. And had a wee cuddle every night before they went to their rooms at night.

lighting_up_the_chalice

nixe wrote: »

he has a range of problems from restless legs to m/e
he is always moving around waking up,
he has a thing that goes under his matress to help him up
it makes to much noise he is up and down with that machine
he dont sleep much and gets about 1 hours sleep a night
he is mostly confined to his room as he is too much pain
to come down stairs during the day.
i have lupus amoungst other things i need to rest and sleep at night.
if we were in the same room we would kill each other,
it will never work there is a lot of medical problems that i have not put on.

Isn't the prevention of your mutual murder worth a few quid a week?

lighting_up_the_chalice

nixe wrote: »

we should have bought our home for a pittance
it would have been paid of years ago,
at one time morgages use to be cheaper than rent.
we could have then sold this house made a lovely profit
and not be 14 a week worse off.
would i then not care what happens to others
could then be i am alright jack
you lot pay an unfair tax.
never its an injustice in thousands of cases.

Well, that's the first post that you've mentioned anyone other than yourselves, so I guess we can judge for ourselves just how "I'm alright Jack" you would now be had you bought your home. Certainly you seem to be giving little thought to those inj need on the waiting list for suitable social housing.

mazza111

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

What's YOUR solution then? They can't afford to pay for a 2 bed, but claim to need 2 rooms to sleep in. What do YOU think they should do.

In this area. There is no need for them to move from a 2 bedroom. There are no one bedroom properties available. There are plenty of 2 bedroom properties. The one bedroom properties that are available are more expensive than the 2 bedroom. If it's cheaper in the 2 bedroom and/or there are no 1 bedroom places available, let them be.

Perhaps you should consider your daughter moving back in with you?

I think you're incapable of reading. I have stated several times that I downsized when my dd moved out. When she was healthy and working. As I've said, I believe in people downsizing when they can. I've downsized from a 3 bedroom property (downstairs bedroom and bathroom) to a 2 bedroom property (upstairs bedroom and bathroom).

a. My daughter couldn't manage my stairs (external or internal)
b. I have no room for her.
c. I have a 16 year old son living at home.

If an area doesn't have what you need, moving may be the only viable option. It's no good living in Birmingham, then complaining that you can't have a sea view.

That's comparing apples to pears. So 3 different households should move because there's no housing in one area? Please think about that one.

Your daughters needs, as outlined above, represent the needs of a small minority of DLA claimants. At the end of the day, budgeting your DLA is down to you.... and we're back to those pesky choices again.

It's not about choices, it's about using the benefit for what it was intended for. Housing doesn't come into those choices. As it is, I will pay any extra she has to pay every week when/if the time comes for her to move into an adapted flat. She's at the top of the list, it will mean her moving another 5 mins (car drive) away from me but the flat would be more suitable. Just because I will pay it, doesn't mean I'm happy about it. Nor would I think it fair.

lighting_up_the_chalice

mazza111 wrote: »

I do hope the government looks at the downsides of these plans, especially where the sick and disabled are concerned. But then they've not cared so far, don't see them changing now.

Well, they did amend LHA so that some with overnight care could have an extra room paid for. Of course, the cost differential for the larger property in the private sector is usually higher than the modest sums being proposed for HB.

seven-day-weekend

mazza111 wrote: »

Irrelevant on the why's. But let's pick holes in people's posts.

My son is having to sleep on dd's sofa tonight as she's had another fall and may need help through the night. Something that I couldn't do due to my own health problems. But it sure makes me feel guilty that I'm asking a 16 yr old to do it for me. Whereas if she had an extra bed or I had kept my extra bed and not done what I believe in, I could have been there for her. Thankfully I'm just up the road so if he needs help he can call. Which again wouldn't be viable given other people's suggestions that I move from the area when the time comes for me to downsize again.

I do hope the government looks at the downsides of these plans, especially where the sick and disabled are concerned. But then they've not cared so far, don't see them changing now.

I feel what you see on this forum is the I can, why can't you approach. I'm really happy that some people can share a room with their partners/husbands. It's not always viable, especially if there's noisy equipment involved. Or a restless sleeper. Or... the list could be endless. My mum and dad spend their last 5 years together in separate rooms, so there was a chance that at least one of them had a sleep. And you wouldn't have found a more loving relationship, he brought her breakfast in bed every morning for 50 years. And had a wee cuddle every night before they went to their rooms at night.

My husband and I have slept in separate beds for about ten years, and since we have moved back to the UK, separate rooms. We started doing this because of my Restless Legs, but now I am on medication they are no longer a problem.

We both realised we liked it better - one of us can read without disturbing the other, we can have a whole double bed to ourselves, we don't disturb each other if we get up to go to the loo. I was reading for three hours the other night, from 1 am until 4 am, I could not do that if my husband was with me.

We are perfectly happy, and have been married for forty-one years.

However, I would not expect the State to fund our preferences!

( I agree that two bedrooms may be a necessity for some people with disabilities).


(edited to add : We're having an ensuite put in my bedroom as it is the biggest - our main bathroom is downstairs. But I will let him use it! :rotfl::rotfl:).

lighting_up_the_chalice

mazza111 wrote: »

In this area. There is no need for them to move from a 2 bedroom. There are no one bedroom properties available. There are plenty of 2 bedroom properties. The one bedroom properties that are available are more expensive than the 2 bedroom. If it's cheaper in the 2 bedroom and/or there are no 1 bedroom places available, let them be.

No. I asked what THEY (the poster) should do. Can't afford a 2 bed, want a 2 bed.

lighting_up_the_chalice

mazza111 wrote: »

I think you're incapable of reading. I have stated several times that I downsized when my dd moved out. When she was healthy and working. As I've said, I believe in people downsizing when they can. I've downsized from a 3 bedroom property (downstairs bedroom and bathroom) to a 2 bedroom property (upstairs bedroom and bathroom).

Sorry. I confused you with another poster. My mistake, which makes my suggestion a practical impossibility. Must read more carefully in future.

lighting_up_the_chalice

mazza111 wrote: »

That's comparing apples to pears. So 3 different households should move because there's no housing in one area? Please think about that one.

Well, yes. That's just a practical reality. If you can't afford to live in one area, you (like everyone else) will have to move to an area you CAN afford.

mazza111

That's the difference 7DW. Necessity and choice....

Probably when you had RLS it was necessity, now it's choice. I'm sure you know it can take a while to get medication right for a whole lot of ailments.

LUTC - They may be in an area like mine, I don't know. They were awarded the 2 bedroom by the LA or HA in their case. On their needs and housing availability. I'm just trying to see the whole picture from a person with disabilities POV. Believe me I've been in the position of living in a city with poor housing stock too, hence why I do believe in downsizing when you can. Yes they've changed LHA but there seems to be no plans for this in HB (social) as a previous poster said.