Housing Benefit under occupancy Help

lighting_up_the_chalice

northerntwo1 wrote: »

The limitation of choice is those in private rental to social housing. There is a long waiting list in my area, not impossible but average wait is over 9 months and depending on size and the banding awarded can be much longer. Their choice is private rental or private rental. If you do not wish to pay for additional space, you are free to move to the private rental sector.

Yes, there are limitation in that choice, the same as the limitations in choice for ALL sectors of the housing market. That's simply a product of supply and demand. But the limitations you indicate vary throughout the country. In many areas, decent social housing can be allocated after only an eyewateringly short wait on "the list"... Again, supply and demand.

lighting_up_the_chalice

ijwia wrote: »

see thats just it

the state provide social housing to people in dire need

=

people in dire need dont/should'nt need choice it's a con

you can't see that ?

if they persist with choice in every sector of social policy then that is effectively getting rid of social policy and issuing in the privatisation of the state

if you cant or dont see that you are and idiot

The allocation of Social Housing is needs based, yes. But that doesn't mean that you HAVE to be in dire need to secure Social Housing.

No-one NEEDS choice in anything, but we all want it. Why would you choose to exclude just one group from that choice???

ijwia

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

The allocation of Social Housing is needs based, yes. But that doesn't mean that you HAVE to be in dire need to secure Social Housing.

No-one NEEDS choice in anything, but we all want it. Why would you choose to exclude just one group from that choice???

there should not be room for choice (the word itself is a ridiculous concept in the terms of state funding)

as the state cant or shouldnt be able to afford it

how about that then ?

choice is a word that people with the money can afford

and that is not people that need state funding

choice is an expensive luxury that the british taxpayer can ill afford

also bring choice into the process means that far more people don't get the help that is needed

lighting_up_the_chalice

ijwia wrote: »

there should not be room for choice (the word itself is a ridiculous concept in the terms of state funding)

as the state cant or shouldnt be able to afford it

how about that then ?

choice is a word that people with the money can afford

and that is not people that need state funding

choice is an expensive luxury that the british taxpayer can ill afford

also bring choice into the process means that far more people don't get the help that is needed

The words of a true "right wing Conservative".

ijwia

yeah ok then

im a neo con because i can see through the con of choice based state funding policy

and for what its worth new labour are not socialists they believe in the capitalist system of exploitation

look at bliar now earning millions but not paying what i would call proper tax on it

someone said to me last year "if you didn't know better you'd think the politicians were running the country down"

what do you think ?

lighting_up_the_chalice

ijwia wrote: »

yeah ok then

im a neo con because i can see through the con of choice based state funding policy

and for what its worth new labour are not socialists they believe in the capitalist system of exploitation

look at bliar now earning millions but not paying what i would call proper tax on it

Exploitation? You mean like living in a property that exceeds your needs because someone else is paying for it?

And Blair not paying his share of tax? Isn't that like you not paying your share of rent on an empty room?

You right wing, hypocritical, Tory bigot.

ijwia

my circumstances didn't and haven't changed ....yet

the government moved the goalposts

lighting_up_the_chalice

ijwia wrote: »

my circumstances didn't and haven't changed ....yet

the government moved the goalposts

It's what governments do.

Like increasing fuel duty.
Increasing income tax.
Increasing NI contributions.
Increasing VAT.
Abolishing MIRAS.
Etc etc etc.....

Welcome to the real world. Exciting, isn't it?

Morlock

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

The DWP can assist with moving costs.

How? I doubt that the DWP is going to help everyone who is affected with removal costs, if anyone at all.

ijwia

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

It's what governments do.

Like increasing fuel duty.
Increasing income tax.
Increasing NI contributions.
Increasing VAT.
Abolishing MIRAS.
Etc etc etc.....

Welcome to the real world. Exciting, isn't it?

it's not the same at all
fuel duty rises = thats what happens
Ni contributions rises = thats what happens
income tax rises = thats what happens
vat rises= thts what happens
dont know what miras is

but they things you mentioned everyone knows that they will go up always up

my situatuation is definately not the same as these cases you've put forward

my housing benefit claim got payed in full

now of income support i am having to make up the shortfall off of an already pitiful some of money

why not just be straight about it and not sneaky just take money of my income support at source and tell me it's because we believe in austerity and that the weak should fend for themselves