EU National Entitled to Any Government Help When Moving to UK?

PippaGirl_2

henry_44 wrote: »

Just wondering as she is subject to a high court order to return to the UK is this removal by compulsion of law? and she would not have to pass the HRT?

Thing is, even if they were to decide that this was indeed the case, that decision will no doubt take a number of weeks and until that decision is made you won't know either way what the DM will decide. Meanwhile where does she stay? Who pays the accommodation bills? The food/utilities/clothing bills in the meantime?

The solution seems to me to wait until somehow the money has been raised to pay for and arrange suitable accommodation for her and the children, enough money to maintain that accommodation, money for food and bills and clothes and until then I think that bringing her back isn't the best thing for the children. Bringing them back at whatever stage is going to be distressing and upsetting for the children given that for a large proportion of the children's lives they have lived in another country so transition needs to be as seamless as possible and preferably with the mothers willing consent.

henry_44

PippaGirl wrote: »

I think the children are better off staying where they are where they are provided for and financially secure for now.

Thank-you for your comments Pippagirl. But it has been demonstrated in court that she is not providing a secure and stable environment for the children. She has not accepted any contact between me and the children for 2 years. She has not made any contact with me or my family or her friends in the UK for 2 years. She has no stable home in her country and no employment.

If she remains in the country she will be in trouble for not adhering to the order of the high court and I will never see our children again. Thank-you for your opinion and comments but I cannot sit back and do nothing and never see the children again.

miduck

Even if you do establish their entitlement, I doubt the court will accept your word as to what she would receive. You need to get the information verified in writing from the DWP. Your solicitor can request this information from them.

PippaGirl_2

It could be that the reason the children have not had a 'stable home' is due to the fact that she is running from you for fear you will try and take the children away from her. If she did not fear you, she may settle and the children would have the stability they need.

Your family is no longer her family so it is perfectly understandable why she would no longer be in contact with them. And her fear of you could preclude her contact with you too.

It might help you to see things from her point of view and work with her rather than against her.

henry_44

PippaGirl wrote: »

Thing is, even if they were to decide that this was indeed the case, that decision will no doubt take a number of weeks and until that decision is made you won't know either way what the DM will decide. Meanwhile where does she stay? Who pays the accommodation bills? The food/utilities/clothing bills in the meantime?

The solution seems to me to wait until somehow the money has been raised to pay for and arrange suitable accommodation for her and the children, enough money to maintain that accommodation, money for food and bills and clothes and until then I think that bringing her back isn't the best thing for the children. Bringing them back at whatever stage is going to be distressing and upsetting for the children given that for a large proportion of the children's lives they have lived in another country so transition needs to be as seamless as possible and preferably with the mothers willing consent.

My ex-wife had a lovely home, secure employment and no financial worries before she left. I agree the transition in an ideal world should be seamless but in these cases when the order has been made, the high court want everything to happen as quickly as possible (their words and not mine) She had a choice to consent to returning many times over the past 2 years but now the order is in place she doesn't really have a choice. I tried so many times to locate her so it did not come to this. In the end, the high court made this order as she had not responded to the court attempts to mediate.

henry_44

PippaGirl wrote: »

It could be that the reason the children have not had a 'stable home' is due to the fact that she is running from you for fear you will try and take the children away from her. If she did not fear you, she may settle and the children would have the stability they need.

Your family is no longer her family so it is perfectly understandable why she would no longer be in contact with them. And her fear of you could preclude her contact with you too.

It might help you to see things from her point of view and work with her rather than against her.

I have never said I want to take our children from her. She has nothing to fear from me.

I have spent 2 years trying to understand what she did/is doing and why. The courts have attempted mediation and she rejected this

henry_44

miduck wrote: »

Even if you do establish their entitlement, I doubt the court will accept your word as to what she would receive. You need to get the information verified in writing from the DWP. Your solicitor can request this information from them.

Thank-you.

clearingout

henry_44 wrote: »

I have never said I want to take our children from her. She has nothing to fear from me.

I have spent 2 years trying to understand what she did/is doing and why. The courts have attempted mediation and she rejected this

with all due respect Henry, that is what you've said - you said earlier in the thread that you and your partner will be providing a stable home for the children. You haven't been able to provide anything concrete about the alleged mental illness you mention, nor have you given an explanation as to how the police and social services in her country have said she is at risk but haven't actually done anything about it. You have also made it clear that other than child maintenance, you will not do anything else to help out financially which unfortunately means, even if benefits are awarded, your ex wife coming back to bed and breakfast accommodation and an ex husband and new partner intent on providing a home for the children she has been trying desperately hard to protect (in a very cack-handed way, I admit) for the last two years. The children are incredibly young - both are unlikely to know you - and even if mum isn't working or with a stable home in her nome country, that is no different to what will happen to them all here, is it? You suggest it is your ex's fault that you are unable to help her financially as you have been fighting to find your children (not unreasonable) and suggest she left for no reason in the first place (which I doubt is the case). We only have your side. I suspect your ex's side would be equally as interesting!

Law or no Law, Order or otherwise, I think you have to get to grips with just how difficult this is going to be for both your ex and the children and you really do need to find a way to secure the first few weeks for her here that do not involve her feeling in any way like anyone could, at any time, remove her children from her. Your posts lack empathy in this respect although I appreciate what you must have been through and how frustrating it must be to have got this far and to be able to see the end in sight.

I hope that she will be able to secure the benefits she needs to be able to rebuild her life and for you to be a significant part of your children's lives. It must be dreadful for all of you.

nannytone_2

theres also a good chance that the children dont even speak english ... if they were only 1 and 2 when they left this country... their language would have been very limited.

PippaGirl_2

I do agree with clearingout. It would seem from what you say that the basis for the legal action against her is the instability of housing which could be caused by her running from you. Nowhere has there been any suggestion of neglect or abuse of the children, that doesn't seem to have been behind any action to bring her home. I suspect she is very frightened indeed and it would seem to me to be justified fear as to what might happen.

As above too, I do understand why you want the children near enough to have regular contact but your lack of empathy and understanding for the plight of the mother of your children is not going to help your relationship with her, a relationship you are going to need if you are to co-parent in the future.