Housing trouble

LannieDuck

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Best thing would be for mother and father in law, grandma and special needs cousin to remain in the two bedroom house continuing to apply for a three bedroom council property; with at least three of them having health issues they should be a higher priority. Two over 18 children move into a shared house/ flat together; brother in law girlfriend and baby get a flat together.

I was just going to say exactly this. The two young lads need to find themselves some minimum-wage jobs and a small bedsit to share. The family either needs to apply for housing themselves, or one of the parents needs to get a job.

I know the job market is tight, but at least they all have an (overcrowded) roof over their heads while they job hunt.

thorsoak

Who receives the housing benefit for the property? Your MIL? Is the disabled cousin receiving an allowance for housing? The two teenagers who now receive JSA - are they receiving any extras?

Grandmother - what does she claim? And now, your BIL/his partner + baby -what do they claim???

thegirlintheattic

shegirl wrote: »

FGS these are adults making CHOICES and they are not a family with young children.Why on earth would anyone expect the local authority to give them a bigger house?

Each adult within that household is able to find THEIR OWN housing.They do not have to live with each other and they do not all have to persue council housing.

Ridiculous!!!!

Although adults also make choices when they decide to have too many children for the house they have. Just playing devil's advocate

Errata

thegirlintheattic wrote: »

Although adults also make choices when they decide to have too many children for the house they have. Just playing devil's advocate

Indeed they do, but siblings can bunk up together. It's rather different for non-sibling adults.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

LannieDuck wrote: »

I was just going to say exactly this. The two young lads need to find themselves some minimum-wage jobs and a small bedsit to share. The family either needs to apply for housing themselves, or one of the parents needs to get a job.

I know the job market is tight, but at least they all have an (overcrowded) roof over their heads while they job hunt.

Bedsit - LHA to go towards that. (Using my area, both lads on NMW for 18+, their entire income would be swallowed up by rent and council tax - assuming that the landlord would even allow sharing in the first place)

Other family - in private accom - LHA for them.

MIL's Mother - in sheltered - LHA/HB for that?

Relative - in sheltered - LHA/HB for that?

MIL - gets LHA/HB



Seems like the solution to 'stop taking from the State' is to put themselves in a situation to have to take even more.



However, OP, I'm not having a go at you or your MIL. The simple fact is that 4, 5 or 6 bedroom homes are not readily available - which was why they were reported in the press with the silly costs, as they were having to be rented through the private sector. The council can't offer what they don't have.

So somebody is going to have to move out into a separate household. I suggest the couple would be the best people to do it, as they don't have additional needs for support or care.

LannieDuck

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

Bedsit - LHA to go towards that. (Using my area, both lads on NMW for 18+, their entire income would be swallowed up by rent and council tax - assuming that the landlord would even allow sharing in the first place)

Really? Minimum wage job/wk (assuming 40 hrs) = approx £200 (for 18-20 year olds), so say £175 take home? There are rooms to rent on gumtree for £100/wk (incl all bills), and that's in London, so prob cheaper in other parts of the country. Obviously that's each lad, and if they can get a twin room it might be cheaper.

I didn't suggest the MIL's mother and relative should move out - I think it's sensible for them to stay with the parents since they do have special needs. I'm in agreement with Firefox that having them in the house will probably push the family up the waiting list for a larger property.

As for the other family, it really depends on the parent's prospects for a job, but I suspect they'll end up in council accommodation one way or another.

Mojisola

Well, I think it's good that there's a family here who are willing to look after an elderly relative and a disabled relative. They are saving the taxpayer a lot of money by caring for them.

The young couple need help to get themselves somewhere to stay - try Shelter for advice.

The best answer would be for the two young adults to find themselves a room in a shared house.

silverchair

shegirl wrote: »

You honestly don't see what is ridiculous about a bunch of fully grown adults choosing to live together in cramped conditions expecting to be given a priority that would give them a larger house?!The mind boggles!

Special needs adult and oap,that I could just about accept.To have so many is plain absurd,to be frank.

They are all capable of making their own decisions and finding places to live -it's not rocket science.Flat shares,renting rooms etc.All doable.There is no reason on earth why any local authority should agree to house them all together.

My advice would be for them to grow up and look after themselves.

Yep,families choose to have kids and I don't agree with constant breeding and asking for larger houses due to it.However,kids are brought up by their parents,it's not as if they can tell the young kids to live elsewhere is it!It's totally different

Im not sure whether the adult with special needs is capable of making their own decisions. We dont know enough about the IL mother if she has Alzheimers, then no she isnt capable of making her own decisions either. Usually I dont agree with expecting the council to pay for a bigger house. But thats due to the ususal "I have 6 children" and I need an 8 bed house etc.
But this scenario is different and I agree if the Government had to pay for a live in carer for both the OAP and special needs adult that would be a lot more money.

The two 18yr olds need to move out though as do the couple with the baby.

JC9297

As somebody else said, what would they do if they owned their house? OK sometimes people might move house so that an elderly parent can be accommodated, but it isn't that common and nobody would go and buy a bigger house so that a son and his family could move back in.

To those posters saying the sons should move out and stand on their own feet, it really is not unusual for young people to live with their parents until well over eighteen these days (I get the idea they re not much over 18), and most parents do not send their children packing as soon as they become adults. I think the son with his own family just needs to be told sorry there is no room for you.


Regarding the cousin I think it would be better to get him into supported living with the right support. What will happen when your MIL can no longer care for him, it will be harder for him to move out when he is even older.

Realistically how long is the elderly mum likely to live with them, is she likely to need more care and possibly a move to a care home or to put it bluntly- will she live much longer?

paul2012

Maybe she should have got advice BEFORE moving them in? If she's over crowded then she has no one to blame but herself.

She is lucky to even have a council property. If she wants somewhere bigger rent privately!