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Sally_A

custardy wrote: »

how would his speed be determined?

I'm sure Bradley on a training session would know exactly at what pace he was riding, he's not exactly Augustus Windsock (Google it, youngsters!!).

custardy

Sally_A wrote: »

I'm sure Bradley on a training session would know exactly at what pace he was riding, he's not exactly Augustus Windsock (Google it, youngsters!!).

Well the roads a 40 limit
Are you inferring Bradley was going faster than this?

SLITHER99

It really doesn't matter what we say or think.

Everyone who rides a bike is automatically of the opinion that the van driver is at fault and that the sun shines out of the cyclist's !!!!!

Everyone who drives a car is going to be of the opinion that the cyclist was test piloting towards the van at 90mph and just before the crash happened, he obviously tried to do some sort of flip on the wrong side of the road.

Nobody here knows the facts of the incident, so whatever we say is nothing but B-S.

Everyone who rides a bike and drives a car knows the personailities involved, though! You have all met the lycra-clad morons on bikes who truly believe they're Olympic material and that cars AND other cyclists should swerve out of their path so as not to impede their brilliance! You know it, I know it.

My opinion is when car drivers relax and accept us cyclists share the road, and when cyclists realise that us car drivers are not all drunk-driving speeding child killers, and when a bit of common goddamned courtesy enters the minds of the average British road user, the better we'll all be.

However, while we remain entitled and smug cyclists and hestitant and fearful motorists, we'll always be at loggerheads. And when incidents like this stand a chance of happening, it's usually down to someone being an idiot!

Sally_A

custardy wrote: »

Well the roads a 40 limit
Are you inferring Bradley was going faster than this?

I haven't got a clue, I don't know the road, the traffic at the time, or if BW was positioned correctly; I do know that being in a petrol station with bright lighting can make rejoining a road in the dark more hazardous, especially with the wide variety of headlights on cars these days.

I wish BW well, he has been a great advert for the sport and for GB, but I still reckon being out on a training run on a dusky evening in rush hour shows a lack of gumption.

Strider590

He was on the main road, she was turning right across his path to go the opposite way......

I reckon she saw him, but wasn't expecting a cyclist to be travelling so quickly, then pulled out right in front of him, he then collides with the drivers side wing.

Location:
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=53.590872,-2.697038&spn=0.000549,0.0013&t=h&z=20

Imagine the grey car is the offending driver wanting to turn right and BW is riding south.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=53.591289,-2.697988&spn=0.000549,0.0013&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=53.59134,-2.698068&panoid=RWxpQMHAAVLjmIh-qxzHzw&cbp=12,143.07,,0,-4.92

^^ Car doing same thing

What may have happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qhg9p5ogAw skip to 1:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rHg_Ei2XaM skip to 1:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwT0YA2OXhU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvJBNiEVSug

andygb

Sally_A wrote: »

I haven't got a clue, I don't know the road, the traffic at the time, or if BW was positioned correctly; I do know that being in a petrol station with bright lighting can make rejoining a road in the dark more hazardous, especially with the wide variety of headlights on cars these days.

I wish BW well, he has been a great advert for the sport and for GB, but I still reckon being out on a training run on a dusky evening in rush hour shows a lack of gumption.

HE WAS ON A MOUNTAIN BIKE! - Sorry to shout, but in TdF time trials, on his very special bike with carbon fibre wheels and tribars, he very rarely exceeds 40MPH on the flat, which is why his average speed at the end of said time trial is rarely more than 35MPH, and this is when he is trying to keep hold of the yellow jersey.
I reckon that he was doing around 20 - 25MPH.

custardy

Sally_A wrote: »

I haven't got a clue, I don't know the road, the traffic at the time, or if BW was positioned correctly; I do know that being in a petrol station with bright lighting can make rejoining a road in the dark more hazardous, especially with the wide variety of headlights on cars these days.

I wish BW well, he has been a great advert for the sport and for GB, but I still reckon being out on a training run on a dusky evening in rush hour shows a lack of gumption.

So when would the permissible times for training runs be?

brat

custardy wrote: »

So when would the permissible times for training runs be?

Or commuting? Cycle commuters cycle in the dark most days. They often ride at 20 to 25 mph to keep in the traffic flow. Should we stop for the winter?

custardy

brat wrote: »

Or commuting? Cycle commuters cycle in the dark most days. They often ride at 20 to 25 mph to keep in the traffic flow. Should we stop for the winter?

well,it would really help the traffic if you went in your car.
Then you wouldn't be holding people up on your bike

SLITHER99

brat wrote: »

Or commuting? Cycle commuters cycle in the dark most days. They often ride at 20 to 25 mph to keep in the traffic flow. Should we stop for the winter?

I stop for the winter! It's called being proactively safe. I don't fancy going one on one with 3 tonnes of metal.

There's no use in being all nice and legally correct and having your fellow cycling idiots agree with you when you lose an arm!