"Tough Love" Cuts for sick and disabled!

lemontart

all well and good, but through experience I know the following.

1. Waiting lists
2. When you get to top some treatments. support etc is restricted due to demand and funding costs so is limited in how much an individual can get i.e. counseling therapy at my gp is limited to 6 session at a maximum . what happens then to those in need of financial support - do people have to be put back on the list again and provide evidence of being on list again to still receive support.
3. nhs already stretched and cost cutting

I want to see the nuts and bolts of this proposal as sure it has not really been thought through

Brassedoff

Looking at the article, they could save payments that then extend to DLA on those drug and alcohol addicts who do not do therapy or stick to what the docs tell them, for example falling off the wagon.

If you extend it to other areas, then surely they will go for the 400,000+ claiming depression. Again, attend therapy, do as you are told and keep you benefit and DLA.

Both of these will cost in manpower and time, or treatment in groups. You will not be able to treat physical issues the same I suppose? That requires 1-2-1 plus theatre time.

From a quick Google (so could be wrong), claims for depression are up 400%, and increased from 82,000 in 1997 to 392,000 in 2010.

I know how easy it is to get diagnosed, I sat with my Doctor who asked some questions on the PC. I answered and at the end was told I was suffering from depression!! She then offered me extra medication. A process I thought very strange. TBH, I am p*ss*d o*f about my conditions and disabilities, but I would not have said depressed. Just an honest opinion BTW.

nannytone_2

my daghter wirjs in the job centre. she has had any number of claimants signing of JSA and onto ESA because of 'kow mood' ( thats what ut says on the medical certificate)
suffering from a mental health condition must be very difficult, and i sympathise with everyone that is suffering.

but i know from my own experiecne of 2 people that are trying to stay on benefits using the excuse that they are 'depressed'. both freely admit they arent, they just dont want to work ( both are at appeal stage of ESA).
it seems that mental health has become the new bad back for people that wish to play the system, and the only people that are suffering because of it are the genuine claimants

GlasweJen

I know someone who gets high mobility because of foot problems, he goes every 6 weeks for ketamine drips and then drives home. The rest of the time he works "on the side" delivering and fitting dishwashers and washing machines. He was knocked back for DLA last year so used crutches at his tribunal, won and then a few weeks later decked and fenced his back garden with the back pay, alone with no help except from the odd cup of tea from his wife.

He plays golf with my dad and mentioned that he has started telling the doctor about his sore arms, obviously preparing for PIP and the mobilising ESA test.

He told my dad I was lucky when I had my accident in hospital and lost the ability to stand up, after all I'd get a mobility car and I could just flush away the tablets and set a reminder in my phone so that I never forget a repeat prescription. Unfortunately for me I do actually need the drugs and my mobility goes towards paying for me to get to work.

Brassedoff

Jen,

I would call the dob them in line! It's not grassing, it's protecting you, me and everyone in the same genuine position.

This scumbag is not only stealing, but adding fuel to the fire of the disabled being cheats. You never really hear of genuine cases, you do hear of the one fraudulent one in the papers though.

Give them the details you have here. Including just how he fiddlers the injuries/illness!

GlasweJen

I'm not sure how he manages to get the level of pain relief he is on. I think he makes out the foot surgery didn't work when it clearly did but for some reason doctors believe he is in agony when he can play a round of golf then go delivering and installing white goods.

My dad already called the fraud squad but they didn't take much notice, I do hope one day he puts a foot wrong and is caught and made to earn money the honest way.

Meanwhile I've been told I am appropriately housed and the council won't move me. Wheelchair user on the 5th floor!

KxMx

I'm not going to deny there are malingerers out there because that would be foolish.

But i've been having medical tests for nearly 7 years while all my problems do is get worse and worse. Still no diagnosis.

Would I be classed as "trying it on" then by some of your criteria?

Anyone observing me would be bored witless, didn't step outside of the house for 8 days recently, bad thing is I didn't notice until day 9 when I went hunting for my hat & scarf and realised i'd left them in the porch last time I went out which was a supermarket trip 8 days previous :eek:

nannytone_2

ypu would only be 'trying it on' if you said your as yet undiagnosed condition made it impossible for you to walk more than 10 steps and then took part in a fun run.

i know a 40 year old man that has been on incapacity benefit for the past 12 years. they recently turned him down for ESA. he is appealing and told me ... i'll just cry and shake in the appeal and it should be ok.
he's just so brazen about the fact that he's claiming just because he doesnt want to work. if i knew his details then id report him.

the people that scam the system are the ones that gain attention, and just make things a lot harder for people with genuine problems

Brassedoff

KxMx, why when is it on this stupid forum, someone chirps in with "would I be trying it on?" Response?

FGS! Did Jen say I know KxMx who is trying it on? No, there are lots and lots of instances of fraudsters who make the system hard for ALL OF US!

If you know them, report them!

GlasweJen

KxMx most of my problems are unlabelled. There's no logical reason why a fall in a hospital would paralyse someone.