"Tough Love" Cuts for sick and disabled!

Poppie68

Karena wrote: »

It is not clear what job you do in the NHS but whatever job you have you should be aware of patient confidentiality.This does not become irelevant because the patient is no longer with your practice.:mad:

I hope nobody I know is one of the 35,000 people who's history you know as I don't wish to see them treated with such disrespect as to have their medical history gossiped about on an open Forum.

Totally aware of patient confidentiality, thats why some details changed, other specifics ommitted.

Karena_3

Poppie68 wrote: »

Totally aware of patient confidentiality, thats why some details changed, other specifics ommitted.

I was not aware of that.
Still think I will spend more time on issues which don't have the capacity to send up my blood pressure.....although realised yesterday that OS also has its momments.
:think:

Karen.

abudabi

Poppie68 wrote: »

I have worked for the NHS for the last 25 years, the last 7 have been spent trying to get 'The blaggers' shall we say, to comply with treatment, turn up for GP and hospital appointments etc all they want is a sick note.

Gp's are now starting to question them more closely and in some cases refuse further sick notes until patient has been assesed, they dont turn up and register with new GP's.

We do regular prescription audits checking the figures for prescriptions issued and prescription filled, that too has been enlightning.

Health authorites are getting wiser as they start tightning their belts and rightly so, millions is being wasted on people that think nothing about wasting these millions that could be spent on treatment for the people that desprately want and deserve it and not on the people that just want to blag a few quid from benefits.

Just one example i will give, and only because this patient is no longer with our practice..

5 years this patient had been coming in and getting sick note for numerous back pains for IB had all tests nothing was found, patient comes to the surgery in tears etc with pain so she must be in pain.

3 years into it they turn up in a wheel chair and with a carer (spouse) asking the GP to do a letter of support for their DLA claim.

GP completes the letter, patient comes in about 4 months later to thank the GP for their support and hands them a bottle of whiskey, lets GP know they have been awarded HRC and HRM and had a lovely new shiny car outside.

1 month later same GP visits a sunday food market and comes across the patient running a stall, lifting boxes walking to and from a van without any sign at all of pain.

Patient never saw the GP, GP calls patient in the week after for a 'review' in they are wheeled by their carer.

GP tells patient it was nice to see them up and about last Sunday,but didnt want to bother them to say hello as they were busy, nice to see she was feeling better and that he would no longer be supporting her claims for IB by issuing sicknotes.

Never saw the patient or spouse ever again.

Some people act like it doesnt happen or an 'oh well' approach, well these people have helped to bring the NHS to its knees.

As for not being aware of peoples health problems from the outside, the 35,000 patients i deal with i am aware of.

Someone looking at me wouldnt know i took 37 tablets a day , had a butrans patch stuck to my backside and drank oromoph like it was pop, or that i have to walk with 2 sticks and use a wheelchair some days.

Hi that is very strange that they got dla without proper medical proof of not being able to walk and just a doctors letter stating the fact also that the doctor wrote a letter without any details with regards as to why she couldn't walk??? it seems preposterous to me that a doctor would do that???

Brassedoff

rogerblack wrote: »

On the other side.
ESA is also claimed by a _LARGE_ number of people with - for example - bad backs, or damaged in some way limbs.
In many of these cases, appropriate early treatment can _vastly_ speed recovery, a return to work, and even improve the health outcome.

The problem, as always is the funding, and the staff training.

Do you see someone that understands your condition, and believes you, or someone that has had 4 weeks of training, including a whole 20 minutes on your condition, which they diddn't watch, as they know it's not a 'real' condition.

Even if they do understand your main condition, does the same apply for any others that may be limiting your ability to work?

If done well, this is a totally positive thing.
If done badly, combined with the new sanctions regimen, it could be a nightmare for many.

Unfortuately, if the primary aim is saving money, you're not likely to start out in the right way by actually helping people with expensive therapies.

The big issue would be, I would still be 300% more proficient in my own condition than the "Health Care Partimer" than who you describe above.

And I would take that to a jury!

Jemma-T

Poppie68 wrote: »

Please point out to me what is so disgusting in my post!

I meant you as a person for the entire post.

I wouldn't want you working in any place I might go for help.

Brassedoff

Parva wrote: »

Massive applaud there, that's some stamina you have. Oh wait, you're offline at 4.18am as I type. I guess you have to be up early to pour in your tax contribution to the disabled here, I'm awake because of damned phantom pains, it's wierd how you get pains in a leg you no longer have.

I am however intrigued in this business that you have where you pay all of this tax to help us shysters, I would like a job like that, one where I can sleep when I want, wake when I want and attack others in my free time.

Please do enlighten me about this job that you do that supports by way of tax us shysters that are fiddling the system as I would dearly love a job that I can do from my bed or wheelchair.....

I bet the answer you will get is that they started their own company, this allows working at anytime. This person then takes all risks and all the rewards.

Btw, I take far more drugs, much stronger Morp, but have the luxury of working from bed if I have to.

If you cannot, why not use all the spare time you have as you are unable to work in retraining, or getting more education that will then back up a business you can run from home without living off such poor payments?

Pippin12

Back to OPs original post - believe it or not there many people who claim DLA/ESA etc for obesity. Will they be required to attend Weightwatchers or Slimming World????

paddedjohn

Pippin12 wrote: »

Back to OPs original post - believe it or not there many people who claim DLA/ESA etc for obesity. Will they be required to attend Weightwatchers or Slimming World????

Either that or cut their benefits so they cant stuff themselves at greggs;)

Pippin12

paddedjohn wrote: »

Either that or cut their benefits so they cant stuff themselves at greggs;)

LMAO paddedjohn :T:rotfl::rotfl:

Brassedoff

Poppie68 wrote: »

I have worked for the NHS for the last 25 years, the last 7 have been spent trying to get 'The blaggers' shall we say, to comply with treatment, turn up for GP and hospital appointments etc all they want is a sick note.

Gp's are now starting to question them more closely and in some cases refuse further sick notes until patient has been assesed, they dont turn up and register with new GP's.

We do regular prescription audits checking the figures for prescriptions issued and prescription filled, that too has been enlightning.

Health authorites are getting wiser as they start tightning their belts and rightly so, millions is being wasted on people that think nothing about wasting these millions that could be spent on treatment for the people that desprately want and deserve it and not on the people that just want to blag a few quid from benefits.

Just one example i will give, and only because this patient is no longer with our practice..

5 years this patient had been coming in and getting sick note for numerous back pains for IB had all tests nothing was found, patient comes to the surgery in tears etc with pain so she must be in pain.

3 years into it they turn up in a wheel chair and with a carer (spouse) asking the GP to do a letter of support for their DLA claim.

GP completes the letter, patient comes in about 4 months later to thank the GP for their support and hands them a bottle of whiskey, lets GP know they have been awarded HRC and HRM and had a lovely new shiny car outside.

1 month later same GP visits a sunday food market and comes across the patient running a stall, lifting boxes walking to and from a van without any sign at all of pain.

Patient never saw the GP, GP calls patient in the week after for a 'review' in they are wheeled by their carer.

GP tells patient it was nice to see them up and about last Sunday,but didnt want to bother them to say hello as they were busy, nice to see she was feeling better and that he would no longer be supporting her claims for IB by issuing sicknotes.

Never saw the patient or spouse ever again.

Some people act like it doesnt happen or an 'oh well' approach, well these people have helped to bring the NHS to its knees.

As for not being aware of peoples health problems from the outside, the 35,000 patients i deal with i am aware of.

Someone looking at me wouldnt know i took 37 tablets a day , had a butrans patch stuck to my backside and drank oromoph like it was pop, or that i have to walk with 2 sticks and use a wheelchair some days.

I will not hazard a guess at what job you do/did , but I bet you are not far wrong with some people.

I am fortunate in being able to have a couple of holidays abroad and if I go through the last time, your story rings true.

I made all the arrangements, answered the call for airport services at the collection point. There was a bloke who was in his mid 50's from Manchester. He was also in a wheelchair, but it was one of the serviceco ones, not his own.

Accompanying him was a whole wedding party as his grand daughter was to be married in Rhodes.

We all went through the lift, on to the pad and got collected by the Ambulator. Entering into the aircraft, the cast of extras from Shameless all boarded the first three rows (you know, the seats that cost extra), he makes the longest and hamfisted attempt at transferring from chair to front row seat.

So, we get to our destination and we go through the reverse of what happened at Birmingham. Into the Airport we go and the wheelchair is left on the path outside when I get there, minus Grandad shameless, who with no crutches must have been carried by the family the 200 metres uphill from Rhodes Airport to the coaches.

Two lovely, sunny and hot weeks and we are back for episode two. Exact ally the same again, until he forgot himself and stood up to go to the toilet.

Back at Birmingham, he stands up in the baggage hall and walks out with the family. After some cracking Police action with one of his daughters and her son, great entertainment !!

The person you describe is the same type IMHO that I had the pleasure of seeing.

The sooner Doctors weed them out, the better. Don't worry about some of the spiteful words on here, everyone's supposed to be lovely and fluffy. This forum, a couple of others has changed from being helpful for the disabled into a real guide on how to fiddle benefits. In fact there is a whole industry out there now on how to show the right symptoms and complaints as to get benefit. What a sad set of circumstances!