Who will it be Romney or Obama?

danothy

wageslave wrote: »

There is something stupendously, and fundamentally wrong, in America. I don't know if it was always there or if it is something new.

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In my mothers lifetime America has attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments.

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

What because Obama won ?

Sounds more like it's his mother's influence to me ...

sabretoothtigger

We got USA beat on this one, read recently UK has in its history invaded, occupied or attacked over 90% of the world. USA is still catching up, we are the original 'never has a vaster empire been; nowadays you couldnt get away with the pilfering we did

Also the war thing links back to budget. Its been noted by more then a few. The very origins of income tax come back to war financing.

So if you think USA is a war monger now it comes back to their QE, the dollar reserve, their never ending budget deficits and the debt ceiling that isnt, etc
What we did made alot more sense in setting up trade links to justify wars, I dont see they gained from Iraq really

fundamentally wrong, in America

Its just debt, give a kid candy every meal all its life and it'll grow up terrible. Nothing too complicated, theres nothing inferior in people on that continent but they are spoilt by world favour and subsidised in everything they do I reckon. I'll end badly no doubt.

Be worried about that I guess or maybe they'll just default like Russia did and now 15 years later Russia wants to raise 1tn in financing for government divestment

purch

wageslave wrote: »

I am glad Obama won, a republican president a la George bush doesn't bear thinking about at the moment. I doubt the world could survive that level of stupidity so soon after the last one

Romney would not have been a Republican President anything like Bush.

There have been many great Republican presidents, .......Thomas Jefferson,Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt etc etc.

George W Bush is not a good example of the party.

BobQ

wageslave wrote: »

There is something stupendously, and fundamentally wrong, in America. I don't know if it was always there or if it is something new.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/12654/20121110/florida-election-results-2012-obama-wins-state-palm-beach-vote-count.htm

I think there has always been something wrong with some Americans.

It seems that even though the rest of the Nation has decided and the loser has conceeded the result, the Floridian establishment are still trying to influence the outcome by refusing to declare the result in Florida. Obama has apparently won by 60000 votes but the Republican Governor is still determined to find another way to count the votes so the result is different.

We're not going to call the race at any point until we actually certify the results [on Nov. 20]," Florida Department of State spokesman Chris Cate said. "We'll keep reporting results and let the media do the calling of the race. But I think the best indicator that we can give will be on Saturday when we either order a recount or if we don't. If we don't order a recount on Saturday, then I think that will be the best indicator that we can give as to who will be the ultimate winner when we certify the results."

Whether its a !!!! up or a conspiracy who knows.

GeorgeHowell

purch wrote: »

Romney would not have been a Republican President anything like Bush.

There have been many great Republican presidents, .......Thomas Jefferson,Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt etc etc.

George W Bush is not a good example of the party.

A lot of the problem was with the Bush regime was the power and influence that Cheney had.

ampersand

Obama has just been declared for Florida:it's game, set and match.

BobQ

ampersand wrote: »

Obama has just been declared for Florida:it's game, set and match.

Ah a development! Thanks for mentioning this.

I think strictly all that has happened has the Republican State Government has decided that they have all the votes in, a majority of 70000 and no justification to have a recount. This statement has allowed the media to call the result. Florida's electroral system still needs to "certify" the outcome of the ballot it seems.:)

ampersand

I heard Romney given 49.1%, Obama 50% - r4.
How is the other 0.9% accounted for? Can spoilt ballots arise with em/computer voting? Or would it be declared such if someone failed to enter a preference on all of the other ballots, State-specific, on the multitude of 'papers'?
Hadn't thought about this.
Does anyone know?
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postscript< beeb:
'The figures released by the Florida state department suggest Mr Obama won 4,236,032 votes out of a total of 8,471,095 cast - 73,858 more than Mr Romney and well above the 0.5% difference which would have triggered an automatic recount.'

sabretoothtigger

What about the hanging chads. There were other candidates, 0.9% is pitiful diversification

the power and influence that Cheney had.

I never heard him speak and he shot someone. So he's like the m a f i a then is my best guess

[ironically that word is not to be spoken on these forums, nuppety censorship]

BobQ

ampersand wrote: »

I heard Romney given 49.1%, Obama 50% - r4.
How is the other 0.9% accounted for? Can spoilt ballots arise with em/computer voting? Or would it be declared such if someone failed to enter a preference on all of the other ballots, State-specific, on the multitude of 'papers'?
Hadn't thought about this.
Does anyone know?
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postscript< beeb:
'The figures released by the Florida state department suggest Mr Obama won 4,236,032 votes out of a total of 8,471,095 cast - 73,858 more than Mr Romney and well above the 0.5% difference which would have triggered an automatic recount.'

http://enight.elections.myflorida.com/MyElection/President/

They are valid votes cast not spoilt papers and there appears to be more candidates that were generally believed to explain the difference. See the link.

They include two candidates who got no votes at all. And Rosanne Barr's People Freedom Party