Motorists - What annoys you most about cyclists

custardy

Tilt wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. I only speed on motorways where there should be no cyclists. In any case, I only venture about 10 - 15 mph over the speed limit anyway. Accidents are mostly caused by poor driving skills. I have a PCV class one licence and hold a AIM certificate. I have been driving over 30 years covering thousands of miles during my career and have never been in or caused an accident while driving a car.

maybe the cyclist only goes on pavements where they think there arent many pedestrians,and have been doing so for 30 years.
thats fine then?

wifey2106

davidlizard wrote: »

The roads are paid for out of general taxation and council tax, so therefore all cyclists who pay any form of tax contribute to the road network.

Perhaps only higher rate taxpayers should be allowed to use the road - after all they contribute the most towards the upkeep and therefore it's only fair that they should get priority.

Maybe only let basic rate payers use the roads outside peak hours? They should pull over and let higher rate taxpayers pass...

Im sorry the only reason some people pay more tax is because they have big engine cars and cars the create a lot of co2. Why should they have more priority on the road! People like you are the reason i hate people who drive big lavish (not all people some are fine!) cars! You think you own the Blooming road and think that everyone should get out of your way!

Tilt

custardy wrote: »

maybe the cyclist only goes on pavements where they think there arent many pedestrians,and have been doing so for 30 years.
thats fine then?

God knows how that is relevant. Maybe when a decent driver comes across and idiot cyclist, it's his actions and skill that prevents an accident. So that's all fine then?

brat

derrick wrote: »

This one took his life in his hands,see him at 16 seconds exiting school, then at 25 seconds flying across the road without even a cursory glance to the right, the fact that I braked was the only reason an ambulance was not needed, the camera is a bit misleading as it appears to show objects further away than they are due to the lens, the bike was about 4-5 feet in front of me.

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You're making my point really.
The cyclist was perfectly safe there, because he was aware of what was around. He may even have taken some inobservant road users by surprise, but that won't bother him. It probably won't even bother him that the inobservant chap responsible for taking the video saw fit to rebuke him by pressing the horn.

Motorists around schools need to be extremely careful, because of the number of VRUs around. Despite that, did you notice the number of offences committed by motorists? Parking on zig-zags, parking on double yellows, crossing the centre dome of the mini roundabout twice, using the horn as a rebuke. Shameful, really, I hope you agree.

The cyclist probably only 15. Motorists have a duty to consider this, especially at schools. He won't have passed any driving test.

custardy

Tilt wrote: »

God knows how that is relevant. Maybe when a decent driver comes across and idiot cyclist, it's his actions and skill that prevents an accident. So that's all fine then?

Sorry,I just don't know which illegal acts are acceptable and in what conditions?

mkirkby

brat wrote: »

The cyclist probably only 15. Motorists have a duty to consider this, especially at schools. He won't have passed any driving test.

& he won't be around much longer either. Darwinism in action

brat

Tilt wrote: »

Read the above. Most cyclists (yes MOST) I see regularly break more laws than motorists. I can look out of my lounge window overlooking a busy road at night and I will see around 7 out of 10 cyclist ride passed without so much as a milk bottle top for a reflector, never mind lights. I will see cyclists ride through red lights and ride dangerously on the nearside of indicating vehicles on every journey I make.

I did get a surprise a couple of nights ago however, I passed a cyclist which had a bright, steady rear light and his front light was brighter than some car headlights! I nearly stopped and congratulated him!

Virtually every bus driver I see uses his might to change lanes or pull out from junctions. He might justify this because of the complexities of the route he has to negotiate, but unless he agrees the manoeuvre, it's a due care. I've no doubt you are/were the exception, but I ask the question again...

Why do you feel entitled to break laws such as speeding - which allegedly kills many people - presumably for the selfish reason that you want to gain a little time; yet you would choose to deny cyclists the same option to commit an offence that appears to have much less negative consequence?

Tilt

brat wrote: »

You're making my point really.
The cyclist was perfectly safe there, because he was aware of what was around. He may even have taken some inobservant road users by surprise, but that won't bother him. It probably won't even bother him that the inobservant chap responsible for taking the video saw fit to rebuke him by pressing the horn.

Motorists around schools need to be extremely careful, because of the number of VRUs around. Despite that, did you notice the number of offences committed by motorists? Parking on zig-zags, parking on double yellows, crossing the centre dome of the mini roundabout twice, using the horn as a rebuke. Shameful, really, I hope you agree.

The cyclist probably only 15. Motorists have a duty to consider this, especially at schools. He won't have passed any driving test.

Cyclists have a duty to. If they ride on the road then they are a road user subject to the RTA. I disagree that the cyclist was 'safe'. What about if one of us 'poor, idiotic drivers' had been driving along there and hit him? What the cyclist did was reckless, pure and simple.

To be honest, most of your posts have made a lot of sense but the latter ones seem to have gone down hill.

brat

Tilt wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: That's brilliant! A cyclist on the ball who has no lights, has dark clothing and runs a red light! Sheer luck more like than being 'on the ball'! Or maybe it's because of the driving skills of the motorists which prevented an accident?

Unless you know what the cyclist was aware of and alert to, you cannot know. However sheer luck only works some of the time. you woud expect red light junctions to be filled with the bones and metal of 'unlucky' cyclists, wouldn't you. :eek:
I'm intrigued that, despite your moans and groans about red light jumping, the serious collisions involving this activity is non existent. There are many more fatalities caused when the cautious cyclist is caught by the left turning large vehicle, which is why many continental countries now allow cyclists to use the red lights as a give way.

Tilt

brat wrote: »

Virtually every bus driver I see uses his might to change lanes or pull out from junctions. He might justify this because of the complexities of the route he has to negotiate, but unless he agrees the manoeuvre, it's a due care. I've no doubt you are/were the exception, but I ask the question again...

Why do you feel entitled to break laws such as speeding - which allegedly kills many people - presumably for the selfish reason that you want to gain a little time; yet you would choose to deny cyclists the same option to commit an offence that appears to have much less negative consequence?

If and when I break the speed limit, I do not endanger myself or any other road users. I believe most accidents are caused by poor driving skills. Speeding is probably my one and only vice but I do not do it dangerously.

I don't deny cyclists anything. The title of the thread asks; 'What annoys you most about cyclists' and I am simply answering the question. I'll put them in order of 'annoyance' 1) riding at night without lights and in the case of children, parents allowing their children to ride at night without lights. 2) riding through red lights 3) Riding the wrong way along one way streets.

The reason I put no lights as number 1 and mention children is that about a year ago I was turning left (at night) out of a fairly narrow road onto a hill with poor street lighting. The hill was also fairly narrow so consequently when making the turn, the front of my car would swing across the centre white line so obviously I look carefully that there is nothing coming down the hill from my left. As I turned and the front of my car crossed the middle of the road slightly, my headlights illuminated 3 cyclists, 2 side by side, all being ridden by children, travelling at speed with not one light between them and even one child standing on the back of the third bike. There was no way was the out-riding bike going to be able to avoid hitting the front of my car so I had to basically ram my car into reverse to avoid them with inches to spare. It was so close, the kids actually screamed in terror as they teared down the hill. Had I been driving anything longer than my Fiat Punto, an impact would of been inevitable.

Point being that when idiotic suicidal cyclists perform these stupid acts, thankfully (it seems) it is the motorist's skill that prevents the accident.