Cost of child-care makes working pointless for all but the most well paid mothers

ruggedtoast

Emy1501 wrote: »

God there are some right old miserable gits on this thread. Next people will be advocating the tearing down of playgrounds etc to stop kids having any fun.

For me the days of being seen but not heard are long over and children should remember their childhood as being fun an enjoyable.

It a sad state of affairs that I have to debates on radio or tv about banning kids from restaurants and aeroplanes because they make noise.

Personally I believe some are just jealous as own upbrings were probably so sad and unloving that they believe all kids should be brought up this way.

I remember going to a family restaurant not so long ago and being given a 25% discount because other people had complained about kids on another table being loud. Yeah the kids were loud but nothing over the top just kids being kids

I quite agree Emy1505. Haters gonna hate.

Generali

ILW wrote: »

I am a little suspicious of anyone who says they like children (except their own).

Why do you think that? I like children, my own and those belonging to other people, because they're fun to be around.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

As usual the Scandinavians are way ahead with their provision of child care. Some of my friends loved giving up work to bring up kids; others admitted they couldn't face spending every single waking hour in the company of children and looked forward to going back. It's good to be able to provide choice to mothers.

I don't think Britain is a nation of child haters, but we are generally afraid of making a scene in public. Which means there are a lot of people inwardly seething at bad behaviour, but not speaking up and getting more resentful.

As a Londoner I'm regularly horrified at the behaviour of small children on the Tube; swinging from the poles (right by the doors), kneeling and standing on the seats etc. It's not just that it's annoying for other passengers, it's downright dangerous given how much the carriages jerk, lurch and judder unexpectedly to an abrupt halt, and how the doors slam open and shut. The whole world is not a playground, and children do need to learn clear boundaries.

DaddyBear

CLAPTON wrote: »

The scandal at Staffordshire hospital occured in a place run by the state full of very well paid doctors and decently paid nurses. Clearly the lesson is that the state drives down standards?

Totally wrong. The main factor was lack of trained staff. The lesson is that the state will drive down costs of front-live staff beyond the level where basic care cannot be maintained.

CLAPTON

DaddyBear wrote: »

Totally wrong. The main factor was lack of trained staff. The lesson is that the state will drive down costs of front-live staff beyond the level where basic care cannot be maintained.

Do you truely believe that doctors and nurses working at staffordshire hospital failed to notice 300 people dieing unnecessarially because of lack of training?

Does it need a huge degree of training to know that people need food and liquid?

ruggedtoast

Generali wrote: »

Why do you think that? I like children, my own and those belonging to other people, because they're fun to be around.

Haters goner hate.

Loughton_Monkey

Emy1501 wrote: »

God there are some right old miserable gits on this thread. Next people will be advocating the tearing down of playgrounds etc to stop kids having any fun.

Absolutely true! And I stake my claims as the most miserable. I even have a string of e-mail addresses miserableoldgit@....

Not only do I enjoy being miserable, I am extremely proud of it and in a perverse way, I find life is far more "fun" being miserable. I really enjoy it, and couldn't be happier.

Emy1501 wrote: »

For me the days of being seen but not heard are long over and children should remember their childhood as being fun an enjoyable.

Sadly those days are over. But I cannot avoid correlating upbringing with [what we now see as] a far more greedy, selfish, and 'want it now' society.

Emy1501 wrote: »

It a sad state of affairs that I have to debates on radio or tv about banning kids from restaurants and aeroplanes because they make noise.

The Asia airlines are starting to introduce "child free" sections on planes - owing to public demand. Asian children, in my humble experience, are far better behaved than UK ones. This partly stems from their huge belief in giving their kids the best possible education, and this is inconsistent with continually shutting them out in the garden to screech, or letting them run riot in restaruants and public places...

Emy1501 wrote: »

Personally I believe some are just jealous as own upbrings were probably so sad and unloving that they believe all kids should be brought up this way.

This may or may not be true. But my own parents were as loving as anyone would hope. With any other sort of upbringing, I rather doubt that I would have 'crossed the rubicon' from lowly workers in a council house, into an affluent early retiree.

Emy1501 wrote: »

I remember going to a family restaurant not so long ago and being given a 25% discount because other people had complained about kids on another table being loud. Yeah the kids were loud but nothing over the top just kids being kids

I'd rather not go than receive a 25% discount.

Would it be OK to bring 3 constantly yapping dogs into the pub when you're trying to have a quiet drink? After all, they're only doing what dogs do [or more accurately untrained dogs with poor owners do...]

Gra76

My wife works part time now because there seemed so little point in her working full time as the wage she brought home as a nurse was barely a shade more than it was to pay the childcare costs per month.

We decided she might as well work 3 days a week and look after the kids 2 days a week. I'm hopeing she decides to go back full time once the kids are all in school, that's assuming the NHS will let her...which at the moment seems unlikely.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I don't think Britain is a nation of child haters, but we are generally afraid of making a scene in public. Which means there are a lot of people inwardly seething at bad behaviour, but not speaking up and getting more resentful.

As a Londoner I'm regularly horrified at the behaviour of small children on the Tube; swinging from the poles (right by the doors), kneeling and standing on the seats etc. It's not just that it's annoying for other passengers, it's downright dangerous given how much the carriages jerk, lurch and judder unexpectedly to an abrupt halt, and how the doors slam open and shut. The whole world is not a playground, and children do need to learn clear boundaries.

Just as a follow-up, last night going home on the District Line (rammed) there were two toddlers who spent the entire journey standing on the back of seats, sitting on a shoulder high ledge, and running up to doors that were about to open. Mum dozed while Dad checked his smartphone, and passengers looked on in disbelief. It's not about kids being seen and not heard, it's about their being under control in public.

StevieJ

FTBFun wrote: »

But what if they're a lovable white-haired older gentleman with a penchant for cigars?

I think there was someone on telly of a similar description to that who stated (to Louis Theroux) that he hated kids.