Cost of child-care makes working pointless for all but the most well paid mothers

wymondham

CLAPTON wrote: »

the nation is made up of people like you.


many nurseries are funded by the parents of the children.

are you saying that they should be prepared to pay massively more or are you saying that the tax payer should pay a lot more or simply lamenting that most people in practice act just like you.

I'm just stating that the job people do caring for children is important, yet their pay is low that is all.... Nurseries are expensive, but this does not filter down to pay those carers a decent wage. These people are often on minimum wage or just a little higher.

People who care for children and the vulnerable/old are treated very badly in this society.

CLAPTON

wymondham wrote: »

I'm just stating that the job people do caring for children is important, yet their pay is low that is all.... Nurseries are expensive, but this does not filter down to pay those carers a decent wage. These people are often on minimum wage or just a little higher.

People who care for children and the vulnerable/old are treated very badly in this society.

If that is so, why don't you open a nursery and charge low fees and pay high wages and live like a king?

olly300

moneyinmypocket wrote: »

The underclass are the ones mostly breeding out if control feral children

I live in a "nice" middle class area and there are a lot of "brats" around who are definitely not the children of the underclass.

However one thing a teacher friend noticed is that these "brats" actually respond and behave appropriately when an adult who isn't their parent tells them to.

I've actually had to do this recently to stop some children wandering out of a shop onto a road while their mother was talking to the shop assistant. Prior to them wandering they were racing around the shop picking things up and putting them down. I didn't hang around to find out what their mother thought once I had got them back in the shop.

Other parents in the same shop know their children will be bored and will play up so they get their children to play quietly without getting in people's way.

It's clear that the problem is the parents not the children.

olly300

wymondham wrote: »

I'm just stating that the job people do caring for children is important, yet their pay is low that is all.... Nurseries are expensive, but this does not filter down to pay those carers a decent wage. These people are often on minimum wage or just a little higher.

I heard this being discussed before and nurseries don't make much of a profit due to the:
1. Cost of premises and equipment
2. Cost of implementing government measures
3. Cost of training staff to meet government measures - the staff can't afford to pay for their own training on their low wages.
4. Staff wages

FTBFun

ILW wrote: »

I am a little suspicious of anyone who says they like children (except their own).

But what if they're a lovable white-haired older gentleman with a penchant for cigars?

ILW

FTBFun wrote: »

But what if they're a lovable white-haired older gentleman with a penchant for cigars?

That would obviously be completely innocent.

The_White_Horse

suburbanwifey wrote: »

Don't you mean a state pension funded by HIS taxes and NIC he paid ALL HIS LIFE!

no, i don't

Moby

As some have said above this is a sad reflection on what is valued by society. The 'caring' roles and responsibilities don't attract fair renumeration. Nurses, care workers, creche workers etc. Of course you then get situations like at Winterbourne View because such roles are often taken up by low skilled and unsuitable individuals. An example of how an unregulated market drives down standards or how the profit is being creamed off by the owner and not the carer. Also don't forget the introduction of greater govmt regulation is as a reaction to public demand after some scandal or other. Many people who talk about unfettered govmt regulation etc forget this.

Emy1501

God there are some right old miserable gits on this thread. Next people will be advocating the tearing down of playgrounds etc to stop kids having any fun.

For me the days of being seen but not heard are long over and children should remember their childhood as being fun an enjoyable.

It a sad state of affairs that I have to debates on radio or tv about banning kids from restaurants and aeroplanes because they make noise.

Personally I believe some are just jealous as own upbrings were probably so sad and unloving that they believe all kids should be brought up this way.

I remember going to a family restaurant not so long ago and being given a 25% discount because other people had complained about kids on another table being loud. Yeah the kids were loud but nothing over the top just kids being kids

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

As some have said above this is a sad reflection on what is valued by society. The 'caring' roles and responsibilities don't attract fair renumeration. Nurses, care workers, creche workers etc. Of course you then get situations like at Winterbourne View because such roles are often taken up by low skilled and unsuitable individuals. An example of how an unregulated market drives down standards or how the profit is being creamed off by the owner and not the carer. Also don't forget the introduction of greater govmt regulation is as a reaction to public demand after some scandal or other. Many people who talk about unfettered govmt regulation etc forget this.

The scandal at Staffordshire hospital occured in a place run by the state full of very well paid doctors and decently paid nurses. Clearly the lesson is that the state drives down standards?

How do you wish to raise the pay of care workers; increase the price of care or use tax payers money?

No, The situation is a little more complicated than the simplistic idea that poor pay leads people to kick and punch and neglect people in their care.