Semi detached - 3 Beds needs Central heating

richyuk

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the materials are warrenteed by the manifacturersso why do you need the SOG act protection.[/QUOTE]

You are quite right, however as it gives extra protection especially if the manufacture went bust then I would rather have it than not.

stops any mark up oh you really are "rich" so you want theinstaller to come out with all his knowledge & expertise & provide adetailed quote giving you a list of all the materials (something you can't doyourself, your installer should have just told you to work it out yourself& then fitted whatever crap you supplied) & then not make any profit,if every customer did this we would all be bust in 6 months any business runson making a profit & you want to take this away from him, shame on you.

No I have no problem with anyone making a profit they do that by Labour cost. In fact my installer was more than happy for me to pay for the materials direct which he ordered so as this also give him the protection that if he did not get paid for a job (which I would never do) then as he said “the only money I lose is my time” My installer was not the cheapest for labour he was the most knowable and came recommend from a few people just because I don’t like paying mark up on materials do not think that means I will not pay a fair wage for someone’s labour.

As I said I do not supply the crap as you put it. But I will pay the suppliers direct.

what do you mean chasing all the walls ?you don't have to chase any walls to fit a heating system & if yourinstaller has then i guess you have got what you paid for.

please enlighten me if you are installing a full new heating system that have no existing pipe work or it is to be renewed do you then run your pipe work down the side of a wall or chase it in and yes you do get what you pay for and I feel that hidden pipe work is much nicer than it showing.

southcoastrgi

no they don't make a profit on labour at all as i have said that is their wages there is no profit in that, why is it always the building trade that everyone thinks are ripping them off, i bet the local cafe loves you turning up with your own food & asking them to cook it, or going to the garage with a boot full of gear to service the car & then say there you go guys, no because they would tell you to take a hike, every business big or small relies on making a profit, do you really think your internet company sells you the boiler for what it cost them or the boiler manifacturer sells to the internet co for the money it cost them to make it no of course not.

no i would even dream of chasing all the drops into a wall then plastering over them, what happens if you have a leak or need to access them ? btw domestic pipework (hot & cold) can't be plastered in the wall they have to be accessable

richyuk

sorry but unless your budssineesshas share holders then it donest mattwer thet ypuy make a profit unless you have shvre hodnesrs

southcoastrgi

richyuk wrote: »

sorry but unless your budssineesshas share holders then it donest mattwer thet ypuy make a profit unless you have shvre hodnesrs

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justjohn

southcoastrgi wrote: »

no they don't make a profit on labour at all as i have said that is their wages there is no profit in that, why is it always the building trade that everyone thinks are ripping them off, i bet the local cafe loves you turning up with your own food & asking them to cook it, or going to the garage with a boot full of gear to service the car & then say there you go guys, no because they would tell you to take a hike, every business big or small relies on making a profit, do you really think your internet company sells you the boiler for what it cost them or the boiler manifacturer sells to the internet co for the money it cost them to make it no of course not.

no i would even dream of chasing all the drops into a wall then plastering over them, what happens if you have a leak or need to access them ? btw domestic pipework (hot & cold) can't be plastered in the wall they have to be accessable

Some of your fellow installers are charging over 45 pounds per hour. Some are pricing for the job difficulty. Some are pricing just below BG if they know the quote. Some are smacking profit on the parts THEN putting 20% vat on it all. Some are taking the copper scrap for beer money(tax free). Some are only doing boiler swap outs cause the profit is higher. Some hyke the price if they are busy.

i dare say there are other things.

Overheads are not the customers problem, carp quotes are not the customers problem(or any other excuse you would like to dream up for high quotes).

The "slagging off" other cheaper installers does your profession no favours.

Popcorn anyone!!!! (before the rest of the gas safety boys get here)

BTW MANY GARAGES WILL FIT PARTS SUPPLIED FROM CUSTOMERS, THATS CAUSE THEY MAKE PROFIT ON THE HOURLY RATE LOL

southcoastrgi

richyuk wrote: »

sorry but unless your budssineesshas share holders then it donest mattwer thet ypuy make a profit unless you have shvre hodnesrs

that was so good i had to post it twice, you really have no idea at all how a business works do you, mind you it took me 30 mins to work out what you were trying to say through my tears of laughter

southcoastrgi

justjohn wrote: »

Some of your fellow installers are charging over 45 pounds per hour. Some are pricing for the job difficulty. Some are pricing just below BG if they know the quote. Some are smacking profit on the parts THEN putting 20% vat on it all. Some are taking the copper scrap for beer money(tax free). Some are only doing boiler swap outs cause the profit is higher.

i dare say there are other things.

Overheads are not the customers problem, carp quotes are not the customers problem(or any other excuse you would like to dream up for high quotes).

The "slagging off" other cheaper installers does your profession no favours.

Popcorn anyone!!!! (before the rest of the gas safety boys get here)

i fail to see that you have posted anything constructive at all here, no one has slagged off cheaper quotes or any of the other crap you are spouting on about, overheads are all part of running a business & therefore do reflect in the customers quote, another one who has no idea how a business runs, so you don't make a profit on the stuff you sell then ?

justjohn

southcoastrgi wrote: »

i fail to see that you have posted anything constructive at all here, no one has slagged off cheaper quotes or any of the other crap you are spouting on about, overheads are all part of running a business & therefore do reflect in the customers quote, another one who has no idea how a business runs, so you don't make a profit on the stuff you sell then ?

southcoastrgi wrote: »

no they don't make a profit on labour at all as i have said that is their wages there is no profit in that, why is it always the building trade that everyone thinks are ripping them off[ i answered why people think they are being ripped off in my initial post in reply to this?

You provide a service. that service is to fit something just like the garage. i am fully aware of how to run and destroy a business. By adding profit to parts you are maximising profit.

In business profit is the game. You maximise it were you can. Too much and you loose business. simple lol

however you can smell the greed in the building trades. The basic hourly wage is not good enough anymore.(even though its too high)

Am surprised more don't charge for quotes.


i make a profit were i can, keeping a balance or offering a price that cannot be beaten. but thats how my buisness model is based.


btw your quote below

southcoastrgi wrote: »

what do you mean chasing all the walls ? you don't have to chase any walls to fit a heating system & if your installer has then i guess you have got what you paid for.

justjohn

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No I have no problem with anyone making a profit they do that by Labour cost. In fact my installer was more than happy for me to pay for the materials direct which he ordered so as this also give him the protection that if he did not get paid for a job
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More and more installers are letting there customers do this. Some you have to ask.

They have a legal obligation to put vat on it if they purchase for you. However they do not have to put there profit on it.

Many will also let you keep the scrap copper also.

keystone

justjohn wrote: »

You provide a service. that service is to fit something just like the garage. i am fully aware of how to run and destroy a business. By adding profit to parts you are maximising profit.

You are correct but you can't tell me that there isn't a garage in the land that doesn't add a margin to its parts coasts and then charges you £ 60 an hour and then puts VAT on it.

In business profit is the game. You maximise it were you can. Too much and you loose business. simple lol

Thats correct.

however you can smell the greed in the building trades.

You can smell it everywhere you look including your own business area which I have no problem with at all before you are tempted to get on your high horse.

The basic hourly wage is not good enough anymore (even though its too high)

What on earth does that mean? Does it mean the the NMW? Tell me why you should accept that a garage will charge you £ 45, £ 50 or £60 per hour or even more for servicing your motor but paying a heating engineer, plumber, electrician, painter or whatever £ 30 an hour is apparently totally unacceptable and greedy?

i make a profit were i can, keeping a balance or offering a price that cannot be beaten. but thats how my buisness model is based.

Thats the absolute key to running any business.

Cheers