Cost of Food & Obesity Amongst Poorer People

mrcow

xXMessedUpXx wrote: »

My cookery lessons at school consisted of baking cookies and cakes..not exactly healthy :rotfl:

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The ones I remember were:

Cheese and potato pie
Yule Log
Biscuits
Blamange (I can't spell it)
Iced Sponge

and (I kid you not): Fry Up Breakfast which we ate in class

Edit: And cheese scones and jam tarts.

ALIBOBSY

Zero_Sum wrote: »

nope. only chocolate covered biscuits are subject to VAT, Cakes are not. HMRC claimed the jaffa cake was a chocolate covered biscuit & therefore should attract VAT, McVities argued (& won) that it was a cake, so no VAT

I read what they did to prove it was bake a massive cake sized version and served up a slice to the judge to prove the base is in fact sponge not biscuit.

Ali x

MrsE_2

A._Badger wrote: »

Quite. It's chilling to read the unscientific twaddle pedalled as 'nutrition' these days, though not surprising that its neo-puritanical nostrums are seized on by those who like to think they have grown out of self-flagellatory ideals like original sin.

Obesity is an incredibly complex subject with many missing components in our understanding if it. For example, Americans were eating what the NPs like to call 'junk food' back in the early 1950s, a time when no one but a child rode a bicycle, a gym was for body builders and boxers, food was routinely fried in animal fat, few walked from choice, jogging hadn't been invented.. and yet Americans were thin.

The modern diet is, clearly, implicated. But which parts of it? Atkins might have had a clue and was hounded by the nutritional establishment. But one thing is sure: despite all the tinkering with our diets, all the advice, all the health programmes, we go on getting heavier. And, whatever they like to pretend, no one really knows why.

Portion sizes.
When I was a kid you bought one item of sweets from the corner shop. Now people buy multi packs & family packs. Everything is super sized now.
Plus we don't do hunger anymore.
When I was a kid you would be really hungry before each meal, now people graze in between meals & often don't ever get really hungry.

System

It's inherited.
There's no mystery about it- rich slim beautiful people breed with each other, fat slobs have to make do with their own kind.

ALIBOBSY

posh*spice wrote: »

I thought posters might find this interesting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/16/our-social-environment-encourages-obesity

I'm not sure I agree. I think "the public gets what the public wants" that is, the food industry provides the food that people want to buy....and at the moment that just happens to be the unhealthy stuff...

The public never asked for processed foods when there was none and they certainly did not ask for the industry to invent the concept of "snacking". See if you can find the programs "the men who made us fat", it is clear the food industry did and does cynically try to make people eat more to maximise profit. They add sugar and more commonly cheap high fructose corn syrup to anything-even savory meal because they know we are genetically programmed to respond to high calorie foods.

The fact is most of the advice given out by official bodies is coloured by the pressure these huge industries place them under. Average calorie intake has gone up, but not by that much and on average most in the western world are smoking less and eating much less saturated (and other) fats. Yet obesity rates are soaring and heart desease and diabetes has never been higher. Clearly the energy in and out balance and eat low fat diets advice isn't working.

Ali x

aliasojo

cotleigh wrote: »

Why did schools stop actual "cookery" lessons? A lot of the current problems with obesity / junk food / unhealthy food stem from many people not really knowing how to do basic cooking.

I advise my daughter to bin what she makes at school.

The ingredients used are the cheapest value, high bulk low nutrition rubbish they can get away with.

The cheapest marg for example (yet they will do a lesson on saturated fats). *insert rolling eyes smilie*

We each pay £15 towards the term's cooking, so although it's not a lot, it's not as if the ingredients are free.

My daughter cooks and bakes at home and what she produces at home trumps the rubbish she cooks at school. It's annoying that she gets graded on that rubbish.

aliasojo

Did anyone watch the fat to thin celeb prog last night?

It was about famous folk who shed their weight. They struggled with their weight for years but in every single case, money was what enabled them to finally change their ways.

They had money to go to the gym every day (3 times a day in one case), they had money to buy in prepared healthy food. They had money for gastric band surgery, they had money to buy good clothes to help make them feel a little better about themselves during the process. etc, etc.

Now I'm not suggesting buying in prepared meals for example, is the way to go, but for this person in particular, this was the only thing that had ever worked for her in countless years of weight issues.

I've always believed money facilitates easier change in many areas of life.

ruggedtoast

The conventional post war wisdom regarding diet and exercise is largely being debunked by modern research. Research on paleolithic diets is very interesting and mostly eradicates the blatant lies the diet and sugar industries severally tell people about sugar and saturated fats.

Its possible to eat a very high fat diet loaded with cholesterol (incidently there is still no reliable research that shows cholesterol causes heart disease, its kwack science that is promoted energetically by every food company who's balance sheet relies on selling things labelled as "low fat", and a medical industry that should bloody well know better).

Poor people are likely to be obese because the cheap version of convenience foods that everyone eat are loaded with sugar. The food industry loads cheap food with sugar because this substance is addictive, and it makes people eat more. Even hamburger buns are loaded with sugar now, and an equal amount of salt to disguise it.

Poor people will be less likely to be obese when the cynical diet food and junk food industries are more reliably debunked. Meanwhile Weight Watchers and McDonalds will keep pushing unhealthy junk filled foods at people and calling them good.

~Chameleon~

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The conventional post war wisdom regarding diet and exercise is largely being debunked by modern research. Research on paleolithic diets is very interesting and mostly eradicates the blatant lies the diet and sugar industries severally tell people about sugar and saturated fats.

Its possible to eat a very high fat diet loaded with cholesterol (incidently there is still no reliable research that shows cholesterol causes heart disease, its kwack science that is promoted energetically by every food company who's balance sheet relies on selling things labelled as "low fat", and a medical industry that should bloody well know better).

Poor people are likely to be obese because the cheap version of convenience foods that everyone eat are loaded with sugar. The food industry loads cheap food with sugar because this substance is addictive, and it makes people eat more. Even hamburger buns are loaded with sugar now, and an equal amount of salt to disguise it.

Poor people will be less likely to be obese when the cynical diet food and junk food industries are more reliably debunked. Meanwhile Weight Watchers and McDonalds will keep pushing unhealthy junk filled foods at people and calling them good.

Couldn't have put it better myself :T

ILW

aliasojo wrote: »

Did anyone watch the fat to thin celeb prog last night?

It was about famous folk who shed their weight. They struggled with their weight for years but in every single case, money was what enabled them to finally change their ways.

They had money to go to the gym every day (3 times a day in one case), they had money to buy in prepared healthy food. They had money for gastric band surgery, they had money to buy good clothes to help make them feel a little better about themselves during the process. etc, etc.

Now I'm not suggesting buying in prepared meals for example, is the way to go, but for this person in particular, this was the only thing that had ever worked for her in countless years of weight issues.

I've always believed money facilitates easier change in many areas of life.

You seem to be saying that poor people are stupid. All the above are available at little or no cost.

JUST EAT LESS.