Organic food in supermarkets

rufydoofyM

paganflossy wrote: »

Hi
I am working my way through this thread but wanted to ask a question while reading. I have quite a few digestive problems and among other dietary restrictions I can only eat white bread\ cakes\ biscuits pasta etc, no wholemeal or seeds.
I have noticed some breads seem to trigger symptoms more than others (negative test for coeliac) and have found these articles mentioning gluten sensitivity and Adenosine Triphosphate Amylase (ATI) protein, which is found in larger quantities in high-output wheat.

so getting (finally sorry :embarasse )to my question, does organic flours contain this high qty of ATI as I am not sure if these varietys are GM or not?
I am going to try going more organic anyway as I prefer food with less additives but finances will dictate what items we can switch to organic.

Can't comment about ATI but since baking our own bread using fresh yeast and marriages organic flour. We find that we get less bloated and of course this way it's also additive free. Marriages seems to be on offer every 3 to 4 mths and we stock up from both A and C and Ocado. It also works out cheaper to make your own.

On my last order with ocado the higgidy quiche came up on a flash sale half price. So having seen the comments here I bagged a couple. Wish I'd got a load more now as oh recons they're the best ever. Have stuck a couple on the next order along with the chicken, ham and leek pies for emergency dinners when I can't be a§§ed.

paganflossy

Kirri wrote: »

Sorry I have no idea re ATI ^ I wonder if the org flour manufacturers could help, Shipton Mill, Doves Farm etc?? More so in organic I've seen mention of using more 'old fashioned' types of wheat but I can't remember who.
I'm guessing you've already read up about modern fast (Chorleywood) bread making and the possible effects on the digestive system as well.


Thanks Kirri
I have bought some Gilchesters Organics flour which they state is made from heritage grains so I am hoping they would be lower ATI, I am going to email them to find out.
I have read up on the Chorleywood process and that combined with the new wheat strains (fast growing, short stalks, lower nutrients) it really isn't any wonder so many more people struggle with bread :eek:

paganflossy

rufydoofyM wrote: »

Can't comment about ATI but since baking our own bread using fresh yeast and marriages organic flour. We find that we get less bloated and of course this way it's also additive free. Marriages seems to be on offer every 3 to 4 mths and we stock up from both A and C and Ocado. It also works out cheaper to make your own.

Thanks Rufydoofym
I haven't heard of marriages flour so I will look on Ocado and A and C. I have bought Gilchesters Orgnaic strong flour to try.
Do you find a difference between fresh and dry yeast even when using organics flour?

rufydoofyM

paganflossy wrote: »

rufydoofyM wrote: »

Can't comment about ATI but since baking our own bread using fresh yeast and marriages organic flour. We find that we get less bloated and of course this way it's also additive free. Marriages seems to be on offer every 3 to 4 mths and we stock up from both A and C and Ocado. It also works out cheaper to make your own.

Thanks Rufydoofym
I haven't heard of marriages flour so I will look on Ocado and A and C. I have bought Gilchesters Orgnaic strong flour to try.
Do you find a difference between fresh and dry yeast even when using organics flour?

We deffinitely prefer fresh yeast. Ask at the bakery counter and at Asda you can get it free and at Tesco for 1p usually. I rarely go near either and so pay £1.79 from ocado for 200g and it gives better results. Have tried various organic and non organic strong white flours and best results with marriages. As I said we get it when on offer and usually pay about £1.60 for 1.5kg. That's enough for 2 mediom loaves and 12 rolls and will see two of us for 10 days. We make all our bread by hand. The bread maker was a nightmare and has been back in it's box for years and is only used v occassionally for jam making.
hth

Kirri

Paganflossy - Have a look at Shipton Mill fresh organic yeast too, I've not tried it yet but there's a good explanation about the yeast differences and effects iirc on their website.

Edit - here it is:

http://www.shipton-mill.com/the-bakery/the-bakers-blog/article-358/

I also use Marriage's flour but more for the malted version as I really like the Shipton Mill organic white so I mix the two, though Shipton Mill is only sold in independents I think as they won't sell to supermarkets.

I've not heard of Gilchesters flour, not seen that in any shops?

paganflossy

rufydoofyM wrote: »

paganflossy wrote: »

We deffinitely prefer fresh yeast. Ask at the bakery counter and at Asda you can get it free and at Tesco for 1p usually. I rarely go near either and so pay £1.79 from ocado for 200g and it gives better results. Have tried various organic and non organic strong white flours and best results with marriages. As I said we get it when on offer and usually pay about £1.60 for 1.5kg. That's enough for 2 mediom loaves and 12 rolls and will see two of us for 10 days. We make all our bread by hand. The bread maker was a nightmare and has been back in it's box for years and is only used v occassionally for jam making.
hth

Thank you rufydoofyM, I will look for some fresh yeast, I dont order online (never enough to be worth it) so will have to brave tesco's :eek:

Kirri wrote: »

Paganflossy - Have a look at Shipton Mill fresh organic yeast too, I've not tried it yet but there's a good explanation about the yeast differences and effects iirc on their website.


I've not heard of Gilchesters flour, not seen that in any shops?

thanks for the link Kirri, Ill have a look. I got the Gilchesters flour in Booths, they are great for local produce and small suppliers although not a huge amount of organic veg I was surprised to find when I looked this weekend.

Gilchesters website

Beckyy

I'm using Marriage's SF flour at the moment and no problems with it.

I got some Organic coffee beans to try from Sains today or our new coffee machine, they smell lovely! £2.50 on offer. Also got some SO couscous to try. There's a lot of organic stuff that isn't in my Sainsburys as it's just a small one, I've seens ome items dissapear off the shelves and never return which is a shame!

I had to get a free range chicken instead of organic for OH as just couldn't stretch to over £10 for one.

dasophster

I read in the Waitrose kitchen magazine or perhaps their weekend paper a few months ago that their own brand essential Waitrose flours are all milled by Marriage's so they aren't organic but very high quality. Xx

Edwardia

rufydoofyM I'm the Higgidy culprit.. no-one I've intro'd to them has disliked them, they all ooh aah and go buy more. We're having Higgidy and salad for dinner.

Ocado sells Kron Jast fresh yeast 4 x 50g for 1.79
http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Kronjast-Farsk-Jast--Fresh-Yeast/79107011?from=search&tags=|20000&param=kron+jast+&parentContainer=SEARCHkron+jast_SHELFVIEW

www.kronjast.se which you can translate via Google or similar I think.

I have noo idea about the ATI of wheat. A lot of the bread flour ppl buy is Canadian hybrid stuff which is high protein but probably not GM.

2011 Wimbledon and 2013 Aussie Open tennis champion Novak Djokovic (and mmmm he's fit in all senses of the word) is on a gluten and dairy free diet because of allergies. Still can't believe he lost to Murray in straight sets

Kirri weird to me that you're told not to give your piggies strawberries as they are one of the few fruits which I can eat which WON'T put my blood glucose up. I figure it's the fibre eg all those seeds.

smallblueplanet

paganflossy wrote: »

rufydoofyM wrote: »

Can't comment about ATI but since baking our own bread using fresh yeast and marriages organic flour. We find that we get less bloated and of course this way it's also additive free. Marriages seems to be on offer every 3 to 4 mths and we stock up from both A and C and Ocado. It also works out cheaper to make your own.

Thanks Rufydoofym
I haven't heard of marriages flour so I will look on Ocado and A and C. I have bought Gilchesters Orgnaic strong flour to try.
Do you find a difference between fresh and dry yeast even when using organics flour?

I missed the start of this thread, but isn't that one of the good things about sourdough yeast and its bread, that it is said to make the wheat gluten more easily digestible?

It is very easy to make a sourdough yeast culture and very easy to keep it alive in a jam jar in the fridge. When making bread it can be used in 'sourdough bread/cake recipes' or can be used in bread recipes using 'commercial' yeasts - Dan Lepard says use 150g of sourdough culture (ie leaven made at 100% - 75g flour & 75g water) instead of 1tsp/7g of fast action yeast. The dough rises in the same way but it takes longer.

http://www.oundlefoodfestival.co.uk/index.php/recipes/64-danlepards-easy-white-bread

Here's a link to a really easy sourdough yeast that we used and is soooo very easy to do, unlike many 'odd' concoctions and instructions I've seen to make sourdough starter.

http://www.weekendbakery.com/posts/rye-sourdough-starter-in-easy-steps/

Keep it in the fridge for weeks at a time between using it and feeding it. Keep the 'excess' starter in a jar too and add that to recipes, no need to throw any away, except right at the beginning when first making the starter.

There is nothing like the taste of sourdough bread - and it doesn't have to taste 'sour' by the way!