Important Changes to Jobseekers Allowance Sanctions

Vincent_Buenisedes

mauritius123 wrote: »

Those days are a distant memory. Some people need to wake up to the fact that this is now an employers market. They can hire more experienced/qualified workers for lesser roles than they could before and they can pay them less. I myself was in this situation and faced a choice of continuing to seek employment that i was accustomed to (unsuccessfully) or drop down. The truth of the matter is that there are thousands of skilled graduates out there who can wipe away most people experience with a month or 2's training and have far lower salary expectation.

We are all in this dire situation together, like it or not and the only way to bring prosperity back to this country is to get people working, to increase GDP.

So stopping someone's JSA for 13 weeks will do that will it? Making them rely on hardship loans, puttting their housing at risk, and making them rely on food banks will suddenly jolt the person out of their slothenly ways, freed from the shackles of social security? Or will they become even more desperate, sinking into even further poverty, debt, and general misery?

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be sanctions. There must be punishment for the serial offenders. My beef is that they should be the LAST resort, not the FIRST. Over the last couple of years, JCP have been handing out sanctions like candy (I know - I've had three within the last year, but beat them all), and it's usually the ones who are more vulnerable who get them.

robin-hoods

Hi well it looks like we are getting stuff up the back passage by the jsaboys and girls, they forced use into signing a new agreement with 5 jobs a week lol that’s fine but if there is only 3 jobs advertised a week you won’t get any money at all and you cant get any help from the legalised !!!!! ooooooo sorry the government so what is next. ow sorry and csmw you are on the wrong side of the fence. :mad::mad:

princessdon

I have to say I have never misinterpreted misssarahs posts as work shy, arrogant or anything else that has been thrown out on here. Whilst I agree people should take any job, experience and qualifications can be a barrier. Can't see tesco etc taking me on for example.

dandelionclock30

People should'nt have to work for free and beg to get a job!. This is not the third world.The benefit system is there to support people who cant get work though no fault of their own.
The government has really screwed this country-thankfully they will not get in again. The only thing that will happen if people get their money stopped is that the crime rate will go up as people will start shoplifting etc.
The problem is that there are hardly any jobs at all, people who are not unemployed seem to struggle grasping this. if there were jobs then people would be doing them.
At the end of the day,the government is well aware that there are hardly any jobs and so are the workers in the jobcentre.Its all a stupid game and it would be more honest of them just to admit how it is. Unfortunatley they wont and instead,keep on cutting back services and then beat the unemployed with a stick for not working.The whole system is pathetic and sick.

ILW

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

People should'nt have to work for free and beg to get a job!. This is not the third world.The benefit system is there to support people who cant get work though no fault of their own.
The government has really screwed this country-thankfully they will not get in again. The only thing that will happen if people get their money stopped is that the crime rate will go up as people will start shoplifting etc.
The problem is that there are hardly any jobs at all, people who are not unemployed seem to struggle grasping this. if there were jobs then people would be doing them.
At the end of the day,the government is well aware that there are hardly any jobs and so are the workers in the jobcentre.Its all a stupid game and it would be more honest of them just to admit how it is. Unfortunatley they wont and instead,keep on cutting back services and then beat the unemployed with a stick for not working.The whole system is pathetic and sick.

There appear to be thousands of Easter Europeans who seem to find work in everywhere from diners to care homes.

dandelionclock30

Apparently lots have also returned as they cant get work.

princessdon

I don't buy into "there are no jobs" when I use my own experiences. Hard to see how when I was offered 2 out of the 3 I applied for and my niece/nephews have all secured employment after leaving collge/Uni and we live in one of the "worst areas".

I think they are hard to come by with no experience and that employers want recent experience or a blank slate to train and mould, but not impossible.

csmw

robin-hoods wrote: »

Hi well it looks like we are getting stuff up the back passage by the jsaboys and girls, they forced use into signing a new agreement with 5 jobs a week lol that’s fine but if there is only 3 jobs advertised a week you won’t get any money at all and you cant get any help from the legalised !!!!! ooooooo sorry the government so what is next. ow sorry and csmw you are on the wrong side of the fence. :mad::mad:

I don't see how I'm on the wrong side of the fence I work day in day out with people trying to help them look for work, but the simple fact of the matter is as stated in previous post that the sanctions have always been their the length of time they are now being imposed for is the only difference.

You can't be forced into signing a new jsag it's an agreement and if you didnt agree with it then you should'nt have signed it.
5 jobs per week is realistic in certain cirmcumstance, however not in all which is why the jsag should be tailored to the individual, unfortuntley this isnt the case.

This thread has just become 'Let's slag off the jcp staff' I'd liike to see you do my job, we don't impose the rules they are set in parliment and it's our job to enforce them. I understand that not all advisor are perfect but it's unfair to tarnish us all with the same brush.

robin-hoods

Hi again I did not agree to the 5 jobs a week I was told to sign as I did not have a choice they said if I didn't sign it they would stop my money. and now the argument is well you sign it lol ha over the barrel comes to mind, it all comes down reaching the figures :T :mad:

csmw

robin-hoods wrote: »

Hi again I did not agree to the 5 jobs a week I was told to sign as I did not have a choice they said if I didn't sign it they would stop my money. and now the argument is well you sign it lol ha over the barrel comes to mind, it all comes down reaching the figures :T :mad:

You agreed as soon as you signed it, you always have a choice. plus it's not 5 jobs a week it is 5 actions that you need to take.

we do not have figures or targets on sanctions!!