Important Changes to Jobseekers Allowance Sanctions

csmw

andy2004 wrote: »

so why if its the "decision makers" do they say "I'm
stopping your benefits for 2weeks", not this is going to have to go off to the
decision makers and they will decide.

This makes no sense whatsoever

Oh and i've had lets see 4 new deal advisors, and i've lost count of how many
normal advisors i've had, and each one of the new deal advisors has stopped my
benefits. Hell when i was assaulted and on pain killers we went from the doctors
to the jobcentre to see my advisor, and due to the pain i was in i was given 5
weeks off by the doctor only for my at the time advisor NOT to put me down as
off but kept me as SIGNING ON after going there and explaining the 5 weeks given
to me by the doctor. So as i was "signing on" of course I was unable to get the
benefits i was entitled to, as i phoned the benefits side and they told me i was
still SIGNING ON, to which i replied no, I signed off due to doctors orders
until I was able to come off the pain killers.


So after i phoned my doctor he gave me some more time so I could sort out my
benefits and then and only then did Mrs Lorraine Gibbs decide to change my
status after i phoned her to tell her my doctor had given me another 3 weeks due
to HER not doing her job.


aka Changing from jobseeker to ESA or whatever it was called before ESA.

1. There is no such thing as new deal any longer.
2. It is not the Assistant advisors due to change over your benefit, you are ment to call the contact centre and put in a claim for ESA
3. To name an individual on an open public forum who was just doing her job is shameful

Frankly I believe the jobcentre SHOULDN'T be allowed to STOP anybody's
benefits, I can think of 2 classes they should and for good reasons.


1 Those jobseekers who turn up DRUNK to the jobcentre,


2.those on drugs.


simple reasoning, no benefits = no money for drink or drugs, therefore now
able to become classed as FIT FOR WORK.

The fact that such people are claiming JSA show they are fit for work as long as they are meeing the condition of their Jobseekers agreement then, who are you to say that they should not recieve their Benefit. If someone comes into a jobcentre intoxicated they cannot be seen as when they sign for their money the contract is null and void. However I am fully aware that it happens.

and as now the new rules for being able to stop it for upto 3 years as of 22
October 2012. I can see the jobcentres now requiring the use of police in the
jobcentres and not security guards so that they can arrest the people who
threaten the "advisors" who say "i'm stopping your benefits for 3 years" note
the wording. they will not say "the dicision maker will stop, after all the
decision maker isnt even in the building but you the jobseeker is being told
that day.

Advisors do not stop your benefits!!!

Remind me of the story i heard about someone going into a jobcentre, dont rememeber what was said to the person, but they ended up throwing something in the face of the advisor, sitting opposite. and no it wasnt me.
Mind you I have been banned for sitting down in a chair and crossing my arms and legs, and then getting a letter telling me i've been banned for 3 months for threaten and aggressive behaviour.
erm, still keep going over that in my head.
walked into the jobcentre, up the stairs, left, handed my book to the security guard and said HI, went to sit down, just as i'm about to sit name was called, walked over to the chair, sat down, crossed my legs and my arms, advisor got up, my thought "she's gone to 1 get a coffee refill, 2, gone to get some paper for me to fill out." so i looked out of the window, about a minute later, tap on the shoulder, security guard, "I've been asked to ask you to leave," reply by me "may i ask why", guard "I dont know, i just be asked" erm me "OK" and then i walked out. 3 days later get a letter from jobcentre solicitors I should really scan it in it makes fun reading. yes i still got it somewhere in a drawer. basically, "Due to your threatening and aggresive behaviour you have been banned for 3 months, something about not being able to set foot in the jobcentre for that period, and i would get my jsa forms set to me once a fortnight.
as i said still trying to figure that one out even after all these years.

question. these 6months sanctions where you wait a month or 4 weeks and then
put in another 2 x6month sanction for exactly the same reason as the first
saction making it a total time of 7months


when i say exactly the same, i mean same reason and same DATE.


where/are they even legal. job centre did that to me 3 times as well.

The fact that you are getting 6 month sanctions, identifys to me that A. your are either failing/refusing to apply for a job that you have agreed your looking for on your jsag or B. you have turned down a suitable job without good reasoon.

actually when the jobcentre where first started back in the 60's it was the
jobcentre staff job to give people appointment to jobs.


anyone remember the tv show BREAD, when boswell with the jag went to the
jobcentre and was handed a piece of paper with a job to apply for.


my dad also remembers when he signed on temporarily, before i was born, going
to the jobcentre been handed a piece of paper with job he could apply for or
being told to go to this address and speak to mr whoever it was on the card.



it seems the jobcentre advisors are "OVER PAID" for what they actually do,
which seems to be very little, especially when you walk in and see some of them
talking to their colleagues about where their going for their holidays and other
such rubbish, small note this is why people with certain interview times are
being held back due to the talking. aka the jobseeker being told to be there at
2:10 and sitting there to 2:30 whilst the advisor is talking to a colleague
about stuff that could be done AFTER WORK. but god forbid that person arrive at
say 2:15 and then be told they will have to wait till everyone is seen
first.

Unfortunalty we are in 2012 not the 60's, you are an Adult who needs to take responsibilty for himself and not expect something to be handed to you on a plate. We as advisors are fully aware of the tough economic climate we're in but we are not miracle worker. we can only help those who are willing to help themselves.

busy_mom_2

Considering JCp adviser have access to exactly the same vacancies as you have via the direct gov website, monster etc why would an adviser need to do a job search with you? If you are spending all day pouring over the computer job searching then what exactly are you expecting? a magic job from under the desk? Vacancies usually say 'apply on line' or e-mail C.V. again what do you expect the adviser to do?

Yes, doubts will be sent to a decision maker, have you ever read what you actually sign? read it next time you sign on.

And yes I agree no need for advisers soon. JCP will soon be gone, replaced with what?

Vincent_Buenisedes

denla wrote: »

Not sure how you managed that. Most employers would think you don't really want the job if someone else is phoning up to arrange an interview for you. Why not apply yourself? Why have an advisor at the job centre apply for you? I'd be thinking you're only applying because you have to.

Because that's how it was then (late nineties). I picked a card of the shelf, queued up, handed the card to an advisor who then phoned the employer and arranged an interview, I attended the interview, got the job and was there for a year. Again, that was when the Jobcentre WAS a jobcentre, not a processing office.

As for your little dig at me, I think it says a lot more about your personality and attitude then it does mine.

andy2004

2. It is not the Assistant advisors due to change over your benefit, you are ment to call the contact centre and put in a claim for ESA

she was the floor manager not assistant advisor, and if that was the case why didnt she say so, instead of telling me SHE WOULD DO IT.

We as advisors are fully aware of the tough economic climate we're in but we are not miracle worker. we can only help those who are willing to help themselves.

So why is it when I go to the jobcentre I get told by the advisors there are LOADS OF JOBS available. yet when I look on the jobseekers direct.gov. website and use the SOC CODE thats on my jobseekers agreement I dont find that many. 3 soc codes, with results of 26, 6, and 2 and taking out the job which i can not do due to things like no cscs card, experience, or must have own Van and of course the weirdly no references when it says to apply fill in online application form, asda, morrisons, who dont put a skip and apply this would take that grand total down, and the fact its been 26 for that particular soc code for the past 3months running.

And as for vincent post about how the jobcentre used to be he is correct. I remember those small cards, before the jobcentre allowed jobseekers to use the phone for jobs. You had to give the card or at least the code to the advisor, if memory serves they used to tell the person on the other end they where the jobcentre and they had a client applying for the job.
Ah those where the days when you stood in a queue to see the advisor's, and things actually got done, and you didn't feel like you where wasting time waiting to be seen as they seemed to be busy unlike today where you sit down waiting to be seen but watch them talk about to other colleagues about where they where going on their hoilday's or about their new BMW softtop which they paid 15,000 for.

So if theres no more new deal whats the 2nd floor used for now ?

Vincent_Buenisedes

And there was none of this work for your dole to gain experience bullshine either. I had no experience whatsoever but, and you won't believe this, the employer actually paid me a living wage! And this was before minimum wage was brought in! Those were the days.

csmw

andy2004 wrote: »

she was the floor manager not assistant advisor, and if
that was the case why didnt she say so, instead of telling me SHE WOULD DO IT.

Well seen as I don't work in that jobcentre I couldn't possible answer that question

So why is it when I go to the jobcentre I get told by the advisors there are
LOADS OF JOBS available. yet when I look on the jobseekers direct.gov. website
and use the SOC CODE thats on my jobseekers agreement I dont find that many. 3
soc codes, with results of 26, 6, and 2 and taking out the job which i can not
do due to things like no cscs card, experience, or must have own Van

If you have no expereience, no cscs card or a van and it's required for the type of work that is on your Jobseekers agreement, does this not tell you that your not suited to that type of work and would be better off chosing a different career path?????

Only around 20% of the jobs that are actually out there are advertised on direct gov, so maybe you need to expand where your looking

and of course the weirdly no references when it says to apply fill in online
application form, asda, morrisons, who dont put a skip and apply this would take
that grand total down, and the fact its been 26 for that particular soc code for
the past 3months running.

This makes no sense whatsoever

And as for vincent post about how the jobcentre used to be he is correct. I remember those small cards, before the jobcentre allowed jobseekers to use the phone for jobs. You had to give the card or at least the code to the advisor, if memory serves they used to tell the person on the other end they where the jobcentre and they had a client applying for the job.
Ah those where the days when you stood in a queue to see the advisor's, and things actually got done, and you didn't feel like you where wasting time waiting to be seen as they seemed to be busy unlike today where you sit down waiting to be seen but watch them talk about to other colleagues about where they where going on their hoilday's or about their new BMW softtop which they paid 15,000 for.

So if theres no more new deal whats the 2nd floor used for now ?

Again different jobcentre they are not all layed out the same, some even have 3rd floors you know.!!!!!



At the end of the day the fact of the matter is your a grown adult and need to take responsibility for yourself!! blaming all the problems that you have on the jcp is not going to move you forward. You need to look at the career path that you have chosen and really think hard as to whether or not its realistic.

There are 1000's of people out of work at the moment and most dont blame other for their misforrtune they buckle down and do whatever is in their power to get through the hard times and find themeselves other suitable work.

busy_mom_2

You shouldn't just search using you soc codes, you should search all local jobs, never know quite a few do say' no experience' or use the word 'preferable' ideal'. As for CSCS card you do the revision, take a test and send of for the card.The test is £17.50 and the card £30. Unless you have abused the system previously JCP will pay for it. Bear in mind at my office you go to a work club, sit the practice test and when you can prove you can pass the test 3/3 times then we pay for the test, pass the test we pay for the card.

mauritius123

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Vincent_Buenisedes

mauritius123 wrote: »

All in all i have slowly come around to the reasoning that these new sanctions are a good thing (all things considered)

When punitive measurse are announced, people seem to welcome them so long as they don't apply OTHER PEOPLE and not themselves

mauritius123

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