Important Changes to Jobseekers Allowance Sanctions

MissSarah1972

mauritius123 wrote: »

you will get sanctioned because you are not seeking suitable jobs. The sooner you realise that you 24 years experience means nothing, when there are many bright graduates out there who could do what you do after a months training. And at much less cost. I am sorry if you think i am being hard on you, but you voice your opinion on a public forum so i will give you the reality of the situation. and this is reality...make no mistake. If i was you i would work on getting back into employment rather than worrying about sanctions.

anyway good luck and take care. You can choose what you want to believe, that is your choice. I just hope in some small way that you can see the right way forward.

gl in your endeavours

I am not worried about sanctions as I am not going to get one

I am applying for shop work too if you have to know and no a graduate could not do what I used to do in one month

I know what I believe about JC Advisers which is what you are!!

Vincent_Buenisedes

mauritius123 wrote: »

yes i am (as i just told you in a private message after you asked me why i am laying into you). i have always hated having to sanction people. i have only done it 2ce and that was becuase they were obviously playing the system. You have made me realise how needed the new sanctions are. It will weed out people who are not doing what they are claiming for i.e jobseeking (jobseekers alowance name kind of gives it away). hopefully it will clear the crap out of jobcentres so that advisors arent wasting their time with people who have no intention of helping themselves. They can then use the time and resources to help the genuine ones.

I will not waste anymore time with you..in through one ear and out of the other. I just wish you all the luck in life. And believe me you will need luck and a lot of it.

It'll do nothing of the sort - it's a massive dragnet and will scoop up a lot of innocent people. JCP hand out sanctions like sweets nowadays and it'll only get worse.

Arg

csmw wrote: »

I think is really absurd that you think most off the staff at your local Jobcentre 'like' stopping people's benefits. We do not stop the benefits its down to the decision makers, they look at your jobseekers agreement and then make a decision based upon the evidence you supply, if its not up to scratch you will recieve a sanction.....

How does it get to the rubber stamping mongs decision makers in the first place??
Plenty of jobcentre staff are morons or indifferent, who will hopefully get whats coming to them instead of crime rising elsewhere.
It's the few good ones that are left I feel sorry for

Daedalus

I have never been given print out jobs. The advisor is helpful, gives me some useful tips but doesn't search the database. I think he looks at me as one of those who is doing fine on their own, getting interviews etc and doesn't need to give pointless jobs to apply for that aren't suitable.

I missed an group thngy, just getting dates mixed up, he put it down as his error instead of mine so it didn't go to decision makers. Bit unfair to tar all the staff as brainless cylons.

chinagirl

I do think the new sanctions are harsh. Basically punishment far out-weighing the crime. For example,if a customer comes in a day late for his appointment, genuinely mixing up the date, and admits he got dates mixed-up, he will wind up with a 4 x week sanction of benefit, that is no benefit for a month.

You mess up at work, they don't stop your salary for a month.

The people claiming the benefits are least able to afford to go without. Also being out of work increases the likelyhood that other areas of your life will fall apart, eg housing issues, non-payment of bills, so stopping the JSA for a whole month is only going to cause a whole lot more problems. I too, can see the vulnerable members of society falling by the wayside. Who will be there to pick up the pieces ??

csmw

Arg wrote: »

How does it get to the rubber stamping mongs decision makers in the first place??
Plenty of jobcentre staff are morons or indifferent, who will hopefully get whats coming to them instead of crime rising elsewhere.
It's the few good ones that are left I feel sorry for

Well obviously a senior advisor sends it to them, at the end of the day if a doubt is there why should we turn a blind eye. Admittedly there are some bad advisors out there but it's unfair to tarnish us all with the same brush.

As I've stated before the sanctions are not new it's only the length that's are.

Job seekers allowance is what it says on the tin, it is an allowance to seek work if people don't comply with the contract they signed up to they should not receive it, pure and simple.

I work dam hard to help my customers, there are people out there doing there upmost best to get a job. Why should those that abuse the system be allowed to reap the same benefits as those that are actually doing something to get a job

andy2004

csmw wrote: »

I think is really absurd that you think most off the staff at your local Jobcentre 'like' stopping people's benefits. We do not stop the benefits its down to the decision makers, they look at your jobseekers agreement and then make a decision based upon the evidence you supply, if its not up to scratch you will recieve a sanction.....

The new sanction regime is basically just an adjustment to the one currently in place the only difference is the length of time a customer recieves a sanction for.

As for being on the work program and having to prove your job search to both parties, the jobcentre is correct we are the ones who process the payment, what may be ok at a4e isnt neccesarily ok at the jcp as we go on by what actions you agreed to take your jobseekers agreement which a4e dont have access to

so why if its the "decision makers" do they say "I'm stopping your benefits for 2weeks", not this is going to have to go off to the decision makers and they will decide.
Oh and i've had lets see 4 new deal advisors, and i've lost count of how many normal advisors i've had, and each one of the new deal advisors has stopped my benefits. Hell when i was assaulted and on pain killers we went from the doctors to the jobcentre to see my advisor, and due to the pain i was in i was given 5 weeks off by the doctor only for my at the time advisor NOT to put me down as off but kept me as SIGNING ON after going there and explaining the 5 weeks given to me by the doctor. So as i was "signing on" of course I was unable to get the benefits i was entitled to, as i phoned the benefits side and they told me i was still SIGNING ON, to which i replied no, I signed off due to doctors orders until I was able to come off the pain killers.
So after i phoned my doctor he gave me some more time so I could sort out my benefits and then and only then did Mrs Lorraine Gibbs decide to change my status after i phoned her to tell her my doctor had given me another 3 weeks due to HER not doing her job.
aka Changing from jobseeker to ESA or whatever it was called before ESA.

Frankly I believe the jobcentre SHOULDN'T be allowed to STOP anybody's benefits, I can think of 2 classes they should and for good reasons.
1 Those jobseekers who turn up DRUNK to the jobcentre,
2.those on drugs.
simple reasoning, no benefits = no money for drink or drugs, therefore now able to become classed as FIT FOR WORK.

and as now the new rules for being able to stop it for upto 3 years as of 22 October 2012. I can see the jobcentres now requiring the use of police in the jobcentres and not security guards so that they can arrest the people who threaten the "advisors" who say "i'm stopping your benefits for 3 years" note the wording. they will not say "the dicision maker will stop, after all the decision maker isnt even in the building but you the jobseeker is being told that day.
Remind me of the story i heard about someone going into a jobcentre, dont rememeber what was said to the person, but they ended up throwing something in the face of the advisor, sitting opposite. and no it wasnt me.
Mind you I have been banned for sitting down in a chair and crossing my arms and legs, and then getting a letter telling me i've been banned for 3 months for threaten and aggressive behaviour.
erm, still keep going over that in my head.
walked into the jobcentre, up the stairs, left, handed my book to the security guard and said HI, went to sit down, just as i'm about to sit name was called, walked over to the chair, sat down, crossed my legs and my arms, advisor got up, my thought "she's gone to 1 get a coffee refill, 2, gone to get some paper for me to fill out." so i looked out of the window, about a minute later, tap on the shoulder, security guard, "I've been asked to ask you to leave," reply by me "may i ask why", guard "I dont know, i just be asked" erm me "OK" and then i walked out. 3 days later get a letter from jobcentre solicitors I should really scan it in it makes fun reading. yes i still got it somewhere in a drawer. basically, "Due to your threatening and aggresive behaviour you have been banned for 3 months, something about not being able to set foot in the jobcentre for that period, and i would get my jsa forms set to me once a fortnight.
as i said still trying to figure that one out even after all these years.

question. these 6months sanctions where you wait a month or 4 weeks and then put in another 2 x6month sanction for exactly the same reason as the first saction making it a total time of 7months
when i say exactly the same, i mean same reason and same DATE.
where/are they even legal. job centre did that to me 3 times as well.

The staff at the jobcentre are not responsible for getting you a job. All we can do is advise an support and guide you in the right direction. we are there to help you overcome your barriers not to do it for you.

actually when the jobcentre where first started back in the 60's it was the jobcentre staff job to give people appointment to jobs.
anyone remember the tv show BREAD, when boswell with the jag went to the jobcentre and was handed a piece of paper with a job to apply for.
my dad also remembers when he signed on temporarily, before i was born, going to the jobcentre been handed a piece of paper with job he could apply for or being told to go to this address and speak to mr whoever it was on the card.
it seems the jobcentre advisors are "OVER PAID" for what they actually do, which seems to be very little, especially when you walk in and see some of them talking to their colleagues about where their going for their holidays and other such rubbish, small note this is why people with certain interview times are being held back due to the talking. aka the jobseeker being told to be there at 2:10 and sitting there to 2:30 whilst the advisor is talking to a colleague about stuff that could be done AFTER WORK. but god forbid that person arrive at say 2:15 and then be told they will have to wait till everyone is seen first.

andy2004

mauritius123 wrote: »

you will get sanctioned because you are not seeking suitable jobs. The sooner you realise that you 24 years experience means nothing, when there are many bright graduates out there who could do what you do after a months training. And at much less cost. I am sorry if you think i am being hard on you, but you voice your opinion on a public forum so i will give you the reality of the situation. and this is reality...make no mistake. If i was you i would work on getting back into employment rather than worrying about sanctions.

anyway good luck and take care. You can choose what you want to believe, that is your choice. I just hope in some small way that you can see the right way forward.

gl in your endeavours

i've applied no end of time to work as asda, infact 6times in 2years, then of course tesco, waitrose, morrison, before they changed it to the online application which i can't get passed the references section, which in turn means being able to click the apply button a it simply says you have not filled in the references section, as a shelf filler dont really need that much qualifications to do that. when i was young my dad owned his own small shop and i use to put the price tickets on the cans and put them on the shelves, labels forward.

Note: I've signed on with 12 agencies and have not worked for any of them, some of the jobs they advertised didnt even exist it was just to get people to register with them. Yes i've phoned them, but most have told me not to and they would contact me when something they believed i could do turned up, and then never called, so i went back to them and re-signed again. only to be told other lies, like we;ve just had 24 people made redundant, followed a week later with 12, followed a week later back to 24. ManPower in havant. actually i signed up with 4 in havant.
1 in fareham, which was done in the jobcentre about 300 people had to signon with them aswell. and noone got called back.
90% of the time its just to get you on their books.

Vincent_Buenisedes

I got my first job out of a jobcentre and the advisor actually phoned up the employer to arrange the interview:eek: But that sort of help is long gone now. The jobcentre has degenerated into a face-to-face processing office and I very much doubt Jobcentreplus will exist at all before the decades out.

denla

Vincent_Buenisedes wrote: »

I got my first job out of a jobcentre and the advisor actually phoned up the employer to arrange the interview:eek: But that sort of help is long gone now. The jobcentre has degenerated into a face-to-face processing office and I very much doubt Jobcentreplus will exist at all before the decades out.

Not sure how you managed that. Most employers would think you don't really want the job if someone else is phoning up to arrange an interview for you. Why not apply yourself? Why have an advisor at the job centre apply for you? I'd be thinking you're only applying because you have to.